Hi, I think this is a good path. Which mailing list btw, ripe-list I presume? People may try to trick you at the meeting by describing fictional CoC incidents and asking what you think the response should be. It’s fairly easy to come up with fictional situations where the decision making is actually very difficult, but in practice, most incidents are fairly easy to decide on. In the CoC teams I’ve been on, it’s extremely rare for us to disagree wildly, because most reports are just fairly easy to make decisions on. In general, I am very cautious with saying how I think a described fictional incident should be handled, because in practice there is almost always additional context, nuance and/or history, that impacts decisions. And people asking these kind of questions are not always acting in good faith, and may be trying to lure you into an inconsistency now or later. The CoC intentionally does not say “in case of incident X, the response should be Y”, because every report is different. Sasha
On 17 May 2019, at 12:13, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> wrote:
Amanda,
Thanks.
So, because my time (like everyone else's!) is limited before the meeting...
I can propose an LT saying "Hey, so, we have a new draft CoC, aiming to improve all this good stuff and have a team to do things (stuff and things, very important!) and we'll be sharing it with the mailing list but the core principles are <foo> and it's important you're all aware of it and have the chance to input into it."
and then work frantically on it before a slot on Tuesday or Friday, and get help from people. 😊
And I'm happy to stand on stage and I agree with Julia's comments on this also.
Brian
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-----Original Message----- From: Amanda Gowland <agowland@ripe.net> Sent: Friday 17 May 2019 10:24 To: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie>; diversity@ripe.net Subject: Re: [diversity] LT @ RIPE78
Hi all,
I'm making HPH's slides for the opening plenary, and we always have a slide with the CoC...I could also add a slide in here that mentions the draft CoC 2.0 and then point to the LT where we will go into it further?
I am also leaving on the 7.40 Friday am flight (thanks, WOW Air :-/ ).
Brian, I think if you are joined on the stage by someone who isn't a cis white dude, then we will be alright there - but should be a non-dude of course. Since Sasha won't be at the meeting, I'd be happy to jump up there with you.
On 17/05/2019 11:10, Brian Nisbet wrote:
Folks,
So, assuming HPH comes back with useful wisdom, do we want to announce the draft to the community next week?
If so, we can do this either as an LT or by asking for some time in the final session, both are possibilities right now. Sadly I don't think the Friday session will be as well populated as we'd like, given the flights home from Iceland (a lot of people have already told the PC they won't be there), but the alternative is Tuesday, when we may not be ready.
I'm happy to work on this with people, of course. I continue to maintain that a cis white man is not the right person to stand solo on a stage to present these things. 😊
What do we all think? We don't *have* to do this, of course, if we don't feel we're ready
Brian
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