Yay, thanks all. And thank you Julia for stepping forward. If I can be of any help in formulating emails etc, please let me know. Brian Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270
-----Original Message----- From: Amanda Gowland <agowland@ripe.net> Sent: Friday 4 October 2019 12:55 To: Mirjam Kuehne <mir@ripe.net>; Rob Evans <Rob.Evans@jisc.ac.uk>; Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> Cc: diversity@ripe.net Subject: Re: [diversity] Requesting Impact Analysis + Legal Review from the RIPE NCC on CoC 2.0
All,
Thank you for all of eyeballs on this list - it helps a lot.
I think we all agree - we need clarity on the process. I guess the good thing is we're trailblazers!
Rob -- I think it's not either or, but both. We need clarity on what the right way forward is for these kinds of 'governance' documents outside the PDP (and hopefully this prompts the documentation or formalisation of that procedure) AND I think we need him to advise on our recommendation to have legal review the 3.0 version (which merges two documents both reviewed and commented by community members).
As for how and if the IA comes into play, that's unclear.
Job -- agreed, this shouldn't be held up.
Julia -- thank you for offering to help. Yes, if you could email HPH noting the requests above, that would be great.
Two steps forward, one step back...but still forward all the same and we learn as we go. Better for everyone.
Hi,
As Daniel already indicated: we (the community) might need a more formal process for agreeing on procedures and documents that are not policy. Rob calls them "parallel activity" below. Hans Petter referred to them as "Community Governance" at some point.
So no, I don't think anyone is expecting to apply the full PDP to the code of conduct, but since we don't have another clear process right now, maybe we can borrow some aspects from the PDP for now (such as
impact analysis).
I am not sure we really need to ask Hans Petter to ask the RIPE NCC to do an impact analysis. I think the task force can do that directly. But maybe I misunderstood and all the task force wants to get is clarity about the process from Hans Petter - which is probably something we'll have to develop as a community, but I assume Hans Petter has some ideas about it.
Cheers, Mirjam
On 04/10/2019 11:19, Rob Evans wrote:
Hi,
What do other people think? I’m not really surprised. Other non-policy documents have gone through
When the only hammer you have is the PDP, every document looks like a
I suspect getting consensus on v3 and getting the IA on that is the most
a On 04/10/2019 13:47, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: the the largely the same procedure. I suppose a heads-up would have been useful, but this could just be a mismatch of expectations — those in the NCC expect us to be using the PDP, we thought this was a parallel activity. policy. :-) likely way forward, in my limited understanding anyway.
Cheers, Rob
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