Hi Amanda You cannot include a question of this nature without first considering the consequences of someone answering it in good faith. They may believe it is being 'collected' anonymously. If this is stored on a RIPE NCC server (that could be hacked) in a personally identifiable way with several RIPE NCC staff members having access to the identifiable raw data, then it is not secure. If you wish to collect these metrics there should be a separate pop up window or link associated with the registration form where this information can be entered and collected by a third party completely detached from the personally identifiable registration data. I would strongly oppose any proposal to collect such data in an identifiable way. cheersdenis From: Amanda Gowland <agowland@ripe.net> To: denis walker <ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk>; "diversity@ripe.net" <diversity@ripe.net> Sent: Friday, 2 June 2017, 15:49 Subject: Re: [diversity] Options for gender on meeting registration Hi Denis, Thanks for your feedback. On 02/06/17 15:32, denis walker wrote: Hi All I am a bit late in getting into this group, but had a few pointers/concerns sent to me. I am not sure what the goals are with trying to measure all these metrics - gender, sexuality, religion, race, class. What are you going to do if you find only 1% of attendees are gay? Are you going to offer incentives to gay people attending to increase it to the population average? Did you watch the presentation from the plenary session on Friday morning or read the RIPE Labs article? Those might be a good place to start for some background info/context. I am also DEEPLY concerned at the rush to get some question(s) on the registration form for RIPE 75. What you are asking for is the most sensitive and personal information people can give. With some of the countries in our region, if this information gets into the wrong hands it can cost lives. There are serious, serious, serious privacy concerns here. Agree that it's sensitive info, which is why we want it to be opt-in...and the scope of the questions we'll include is being discussed. Amanda said "This data will only be used anonymously for metric benchmarking." Taken out of context a bit here, Denis. I wasn't making a statement, I was suggesting options on text to include for background information. Sorry, but before we get to how this data is going to be used: -how is it going to be collected -who is going to collect it -how and where will it be stored -who has access to the raw data -how will the sensitive data be harvested from the personally identifiable data -are there Dutch/EU data protection issues with collecting/storing this data in an identifiable way We have a legal team that will be involved before anything is announced or implemented. This thread is merely to find out the scope of a question we *could* include on the form *if possible* in time for RIPE 75. This is not something you announce on a Thursday with a deadline for a decision on Monday. I hope a lot more thought and care will be applied to potentially life threatening personal information. Nothing's been announced. I was asking for input to include in our discussion with SWE on Tuesday. cheers denis _______________________________________________ Diversity mailing list Diversity@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity