Hi Brian Thanks for the clarification. Let me first say I am not against the goals of this group. I am all for diversity and improvements. But as a member of one of the groups you are trying to 'measure' and having had to 'tread carefully' in some parts of the world and not make any obvious sign of being gay, I am deeply concerned over safety where such sensitive data is handled. I will wait to hear what the NCC has to suggest. From a programmatic point of view they may understand the point I want to stress here. In relation to your point below, the data must not be collected in an identifiable way and then anonymised. It must be collected anonymously. Anything short of that and, for a whole host of technical reasons, it is not anonymous. (We must be getting closer to an understanding as my emails are getting shorter :) ) cheersdenis From: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> If the NCC are not happy they can anonymise the data or if the community here aren't happy with the plan, then yes, we must pause and go back to our original plan of first collecting the data at RIPE76.