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Re: [diversity] [ripe-list] Updated Draft RIPE Code of Conduct Published for Community Review
by Mirjam Kuehne 26 Mar '21

26 Mar '21

Hi Alex, On 26/03/2021 15:55, Alex de Joode wrote: > On Fri, 26-03-2021 13h 38min, Mirjam Kuehne <mir(a)zu-hause.nl> wrote: > > 09 Nov 2020: TF Chair advises latecomer that TF is not empowered to > expand its membership, explains the arrangements to be made for > transparency, and encourages latecomer to contribute to the work > of the > TF by posting to the TF mailing list. > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/coc-tf/2020-November/000080.html > <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/coc-tf/2020-November/000080.html> > > Thank Mirjam, > > I > <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/coc-tf/2020-November/000080.html>'m > a bit curious about the word 'empowered'. > > Does that mean that a TF can only do what is explicitly allowed, and > there is no room for 'common sense'/'filling in the blancs' ? > > There is always room for common sense in RIPE. The request was discussed by the TF and as a result, the TF communicated that the membership of the TF had been decided and that it wouldn't make sense at that point to add more members as the work was well underway. In addition to that the TF took a number of steps to increase transparency and to make it easier to contribute to the work of the TF. Kind regards, Mirjam

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Re: [diversity] [ripe-list] Updated Draft RIPE Code of Conduct Published for Community Review
by Alex de Joode 26 Mar '21

26 Mar '21

On Fri, 26-03-2021 15h 55min, Alex de Joode <alex(a)idgara.net> wrote: > On Fri, 26-03-2021 13h 38min, Mirjam Kuehne <mir(a)zu-hause.nl> wrote:> 09 Nov 2020: TF Chair advises latecomer that TF is not empowered to > expand its membership, explains the arrangements to be made for > transparency, and encourages latecomer to contribute to the work of the > TF by posting to the TF mailing list. > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/coc-tf/2020-November/000080.html > Thank Mirjam, I'm a bit curious about the word 'empowered'. Does that mean that a TF can only do what is explicitly allowed, and there is no room for 'common sense'/'filling in the blancs' ? -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex(a)idgara.nl | +31651108221

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Re: [diversity] [ripe-list] Updated Draft RIPE Code of Conduct Published for Community Review
by JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 26 Mar '21

26 Mar '21

Clearly, we are talking about "corner cases", but may be not so much as a murder. For example, sexual harassment (either in a mailing list, or in private emails after a mailing list message, or in a meeting), it is a very serious crime in many countries, again, not sure if it is the case in Netherlands. (and note that in the community I'm aware of at least 3 sexual harassment cases, with different "degrees", so not so strange situation) The fact that the Trusted Contacts are "confidential" in our own "scope" or "definition", may be not according to Dutch law. In many countries, the only ones that are *free* from reporting a crime to authorities (or to keep silence about them if interrogated), and up to certain extent only, are priest (in confession) and doctors in psychology. May be there are other cases. Again, this is why it will be good to understand the legal counsel perspective here. If Rod receives a complain "in trust", and it is a crime, and the victim don't want to report it to LEA, it is Rod exclusive decision to do it or not. If doesn't do it, he may be liable if it is discovered later on (example a sexual harassment turns into a rape later on). Clearly this is a very uncomfortable situation and I fully understand the need for the trusted contacts, but law is always on top of all that, we like it or not. Further to that, if the CoC is applied to "x" because a victim accused "x" about any kind of violation, and "x" decides is not right, and turns that "x" goes into litigation for that, because even his honor has been put in doubt, it may happen that courts decide that the application of the CoC was wrong, and damaged "x" rights and it may even impose sanctions and even inseminations to RIPE NCC, because RIPE is not a "legal figure" right? And RIPE NCC is the legal organization hosting mailing lists, meetings (virtual and face-to-face), etc. So, it is a very sensible issue, because any application of the CoC, must be clearly backed-up by law. We can't just decide "this is a bad behavior" in our opinion if the concerning jurisdiction is not backing-up it. I think the complete CoC must be validaded by the legal counsel, and not just for corner cases. Taking actions against any community member for something that *even if the full community* believes is wrong, may not be legal. Even a "club of members" can't set rules that aren't conforming to law. El 25/3/21 1:38, "ripe-list en nombre de Randy Bush" <ripe-list-bounces(a)ripe.net en nombre de randy(a)psg.com> escribió: > The reason I want to point this out, is to stress that people can > contact the Trusted Contacts in complete confidence. We will listen to > what you have to say, and in doing so there is no requirement for > others to know what is being said to us. and that is why you are *trusted* contacts. i am sure, given the creative lot we are, we could come up with corner cases involving murder, war crimes, etc. but i don't think that's why we're here, so let's not. :) randy --- randy(a)psg.com `gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd randy(a)psg.com` signatures are back, thanks to dmarc header butchery ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.

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Re: [diversity] [ripe-list] Updated Draft RIPE Code of Conduct Published for Community Review
by JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 26 Mar '21

26 Mar '21

Hi Nick, > 1) Inputs from the legal team, should be open and transparently presented to the community. Task forces, committees, etc have reporting structures which allow them room to do what they are tasked to do, and then report back. There's no general principle which mandates that they need to report every single input, and doing so would slow down their work output to a crawl. -> Agree, but that doesn't preclude to have that information open. I believe at some point it was mention that there are minutes available, I was not able to find them, so that's why I'm asking for. > 2) As with any other documents, policies, etc., Community should be able to provide any inputs that we believe necessary, and not just "general principles or specific questions". I don't believe any tf / committee has said that they don't want community input. Most, or indeed all of them go out of their way to solicit this. That's why we have mailing lists like, for example, diversity@. -> Exactly, and that's what I wanted to ask for clarification. I may have been only the wording from Mirjam email which was not clear to me. > I want to insist in asking what is the rational for excluding anyone from a TF, Looking at this from a different point of view, you're asking whether people have the right to barge their way on to a task force or committee. Could you point us to any TF structure or committee structure anywhere in the world which accepts this on a point of principle? -> You are reversing the issue, in the wrong way. Any TF or committee can have rules of engagement or participation or whatever you want to call them *of course*. BUT those rules are explicit and clear since day one, not *after*. For example, we can say "this is the required expertise, or the maximum number of members (first in?), or a combination of those". I don't think we have a RIPE document that say that one of the attributions of the chairs is to constitute committees or TFs in a *closed* way, decided "on the spot" and arbitrarily managed. If we have it, then can't say anymore we are an open community, because that's discriminatory. What I've been asking for since I was denied participating in the CoC TF is very simple: what is the document that shows those rules. You don't think that's sensible to ask? Do you think "no response" is a sensible response? If we don't have those rules set and openly published *before* the call for participants of the TF starts, then they may be changed across the duration of the TF. This is a clear sign of "arbitrarity", if I can say so in English. It is an untrustable situation, common in dictatorial regimes, not open communities. I don't think this is what we want in this community. Correct me if I'm wrong. Nick ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.

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Re: [diversity] [ripe-list] Updated Draft RIPE Code of Conduct Published for Community Review
by Gergana Petrova 25 Mar '21

25 Mar '21

Hi all, Firstly, thank you to all who worked on this. It looks good to me. In reply to Sander and Sasha: currently the CoC says the reporting party, and not the CoC Team, is responsible, if they wish, to make a report to the relevant authorities. It also says the CoC could do so, if they think it is reasonable. If the authorities cannot do anything with this report without a victim (this is the case in some (most?) jurisdictions), then it is up to the authorities to handle this further - they could choose to contact the victim etc. It's out of our hands, so why debate it? Also, I think a CoC cannot preclude a party (whether it is a victim or not) from filing a report with the authorities. It just doesn't have that power. Lastly, I second other people on this list's confusion about why the PC should have anything to do with the approval/applicability of the CoC, in events where there is a PC. Why would they want to have this responsibility? As far as I know it is not currently in any of their Charters. I'd be curious to hear what they think about this. I support other's suggestion to leave that part out. Cheers, Gergana On 24/03/2021 15:18, Sander Steffann wrote: > Hi Sasha, > > On Wed, 2021-03-24 at 14:09 +0100, Sasha Romijn wrote: >> I strongly feel that it should be up to the person who was harmed by >> an act whether or not to involve police or other authorities. > > Absolutely > Sander >

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We are looking for the *diverse* selection committee persons for the RIPE NCC "Community Projects Fund"
by Vesna Manojlovic 16 Feb '21

16 Feb '21

Dear all, RIPE NCC is financially supporting (mostly) FLOSS projects every year: https://ripe.net/cpf Who gets the funding is decided by the volunteers from the RIPE community, who form the selection committee. Each member has committed to serving a minimum term of one year (and a maximum of three) to ensure continuity. **Call for Selection Committee Members 2021** https://www.ripe.net/support/cpf/selection-committee Do you have a keen eye for emerging talents and innovative ideas? Would you like to shape the development of projects that will help the technical community? We are currently looking to fill two open slots on the selection committee. Committee members will need to serve terms of between one to three years and review applications from early August until late October of each year of their term. If you are interested in volunteering your time to serve on the selection committee, please submit your application before 31 March 2021. Successful applicants will be notified by the end of April. https://www.ripe.net/participate/forms/apply/ripe-ncc-community-projects-fu… So please consider applying yourself -- and spread this call to the people both inside & OUTSIDE of the RIPE community!! Thank you, Vesna

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Tonight at 20:20 , at Remote CCC: Diversity talk
by Vesna Manojlovic 29 Dec '20

29 Dec '20

Dear all, a talk that might interest you: Hacking Diversity: The Politics of Inclusion in Open Technology Cultures Dec. 29, 2020, 8:20 p.m. - Dec. 29, 2020, 9:20 p.m. https://rc3.world/rc3/event/rc3-11569-hacking_diversity_the_politics_of_inc… A firsthand look at efforts to improve diversity in software and hackerspace communities Hacking, as a mode of technical and cultural production, is commonly celebrated for its extraordinary freedoms of creation and circulation. Yet surprisingly few women participate in it: rates of involvement by technologically skilled women are drastically lower in hacking communities than in industry and academia. Hacking Diversity investigates the activists engaged in free and open-source software to understand why, despite their efforts, they fail to achieve the diversity that their ideals support. Christina Dunbar-Hester shows that within this well-meaning volunteer world, beyond the sway of human resource departments and equal opportunity legislation, members of underrepresented groups face unique challenges. She brings together more than five years of firsthand research: attending software conferences and training events, working on message boards and listservs, and frequenting North American hackerspaces. She explores who participates in voluntaristic technology cultures, to what ends, and with what consequences. Digging deep into the fundamental assumptions underpinning STEM-oriented societies, Dunbar-Hester demonstrates that while the preferred solutions of tech enthusiasts—their “hacks” of projects and cultures—can ameliorate some of the “bugs” within their own communities, these methods come up short for issues of unequal social and economic power. Distributing “diversity” in technical production is not equal to generating justice. Hacking Diversity reframes questions of diversity advocacy to consider what interventions might appropriately broaden inclusion and participation in the hacking world and beyond. You can follow it at media.ccc.de (https://streaming.media.ccc.de/rc3/two)

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Fwd: Code of Conduct workshop schedule
by Vesna Manojlovic 20 Oct '20

20 Oct '20

FYI -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Code of Conduct workshop schedule From: Otter Tech <sharp(a)otter.technology> The Code of Conduct enforcement workshop schedule is now available. Workshops run monthly on Saturdays from 9am to 1pm Pacific U.S. time. https://otter.technology/code-of-conduct-training/ The workshop is perfect for Code of Conduct committee members who evaluate reports, volunteers who receive reports, or executives and board members who handle report escalations. If you have a Code of Conduct, *it's essential that you practice enforcing a Code of Conduct*. Workshop Content The 4 hour workshop includes: * Practice taking a report of a Code of Conduct violation * How to decide consequences for inappropriate behavior * Practice following up with the reported person * One practice scenario for a report given at an online event * One practice scenario for a report given in an online community * Discussion on bias, intent, and microaggressions * Discussion on personal conflicts, false reporting, and power dynamics * 40 minutes total of Q&A time Registration for the workshop is $350 USD per person. That's a great price for *four hours of practice with a Code of Conduct expert!* Practicing these skills is essential to ensure the safety of your event attendees and community. This workshop will help you practice enforcing a Code of Conduct in a safe and supportive environment. Don't wait until you're in the middle of an urgent report to seek help! Registration is open for: * Oct 24, 2020 - Saturday, 9am to 1pm PDT * Nov 14, 2020 - Saturday, 9am to 1pm PST * Dec 5, 2020 - Saturday, 9am to 1pm PST * Jan 16, 2021 - Saturday, 9am to 1pm PST * Feb 6, 2021 - Saturday, 9am to 1pm PST * Mar 6, 2021 - Saturday, 9am to 1pm PST * Apr 10, 2021 - Saturday, 9am to 1pm PDT Sign up today! https://otter.technology

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Events this week
by Vesna Manojlovic 06 Oct '20

06 Oct '20

Some interesting events: https://www.euro-ix.net/en/events/virtual-events/lets-talk-lets-act/ Inclusivity: Women in Networking 8 October/ 12:00 - 13:00 UTC Are you looking for ways in which you could be more inclusive to women in networking? Join us in the second Let's Talk, Let's Act series and hear from women leaders at IXPs, who will be sharing their experiences and tips we can all take on board and act upon. We'll be asking questions like, "what skills and resources have you used to help others progress?”, "What advice would you give young women coming into this industry?”, “Why is diversity beneficial?" Don't miss out on this exciting discussion and register now! & ITU: CyberDrill Global Webinar: Empowering Women in Cybersecurity https://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Cybersecurity/Pages/CyberDrill-2020-Empowering… right *now* ; this is "documentation" https://app.mural.co/t/engagingwomenincyberspace3542/m/engagingwomenincyber… (there is a transcript... and translation.. nice!) Vesna

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RIPE Code of Conduct - Call for volunteers
by Mirjam Kühne 11 Sep '20

11 Sep '20

Dear colleagues, The Diversity Task Force has put a lot of work into updating the current RIPE Code of Conduct. They put together a series of draft documents that were then reviewed by the community. The most recent version 3.0 can be found here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-meeting-code-o… During the RIPE 80 community plenary, Hans Petter Holen described what he views as the best way forward to finalize the updated RIPE Code of Conduct and we would like to follow the process he laid out during his presentation. The main idea is to split the current draft document into three individual documents and to review each of them separately: 1. The Code of Conduct 2. The selection of the Trusted Contacts or Code of Conduct team 3. Procedures for the team We are now looking for volunteers to finalize this set of documents. During RIPE 80 three community members already offered their help. If you are still interested, please let us know. This of course also applies to anyone who would like to help and has not yet put their name forward. Please contact us before 15 September 2020. ———— More Background and current status: The existing RIPE Code of Conduct and the Trusted Contacts: https://ripe81.ripe.net/attend/coc/ Draft 3.0 of the new RIPE Code of Conduct: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-meeting-code-o… During the last review round, the RIPE NCC conducted an impact analysis that can be found here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/impact-analysis-for… The relevant part of Hans Petter’s presentation at RIPE 80: https://ripe80.ripe.net/archives/video/384/ https://ripe80.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/58-RIPE-Code-of-Co… Kind regards, Mirjam & Niall =========== P.S.: I (Mirjam) used to be one of the trusted contacts together with Rob Evans and Vesna Manojlovic, but stepped down from this position when I started my new role as RIPE Chair.

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