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Fwd: [ripe-list] Please join RIPE Diversity Task Force
by Vesna Manojlovic 23 Jun '17

23 Jun '17

FYI We've sent another invitation to the broader RIPE community. Vesna -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [ripe-list] Please join RIPE Diversity Task Force Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:10:44 +0200 From: Vesna Manojlovic <BECHA(a)ripe.net> To: ripe-list(a)ripe.net Dear colleagues, There have been efforts to increase diversity and inclusion at RIPE Meetings since RIPE 73 in Madrid. A new task force was formed at RIPE 74 and we would like to invite anyone interested in diversity to participate. It's important that we have a variety of voices contributing to the discussion. Even (especially!) if you're new to the community - we want to hear from you! This is a great way to have an impact on the development of RIPE Meetings to come. Join the conversation on the RIPE Diversity mailing list: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity Catch up on the archives on the RIPE Forum: https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum/diversity Get up-to-date on progress so far on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/agowland/diversity-discussions-at-ripe-74 If you want to join our first call for the RIPE Diversity Task Force, mark your calendar for Tuesday, 27 June at 10:30 CEST. A link to the conference call will be posted to the mailing list soon. If you miss this online meeting, there will be more opportunities later - we are planning to work on this long term. Regards, Vesna Manojlovic Community Builder RIPE NCC

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Task-force practicalities: meeting, charter, collaborative documentation, actions
by Vesna Manojlovic 23 Jun '17

23 Jun '17

Hi list, it's good to see some activity on the list, after the article is published! I am hoping to see many of you join the task-force too! I'd like to get practical, and get on with the "tasks" of the task-force :) To that goal, I suggest that we have a first online meeting ASAP: date & time: 26.6.2017 (Tuesday), 10:30 AM CEST URL - to be sent later (online-video-meeting tool Webex, most likely) Provisional agenda: - introduction of new members/volunteers - discussing the drat charter - actions & milestones - next meeting To work on the agenda in more detail, to word-smith the charter, and to keep track of the actions, here is a new Etherpad document: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/ripe-diversity-tf-2017 If there are any changes needed, to the date or agenda, please use this list to discuss them. Any volunteer to draft the first version of the charter? Ciao, Vesna

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An idea for doing an anonymous survey
by denis walker 22 Jun '17

22 Jun '17

Hi I recently completed the ICANN survey on diversity and gradually an idea came to mind. First a question. Why are you linking the RIPE survey to the registration process? This is the bit that causes me a problem. This link makes it much more difficult to collect the diversity data anonymously. ICANN has not linked their survey to any registration process for any specific meeting. They have simply announced a link to a survey that anyone, like myself, can go to and complete. Within the survey they asked some questions like "Have you ever attended an ICANN meeting?". This allows ICANN to gather anonymous information and put it into context regarding ICANN meeting attendees. So, you could create a survey, using SurveyMonkey if you wish, and send a link to the survey to all the attendees of RIPE 74. This allows you to retrospectively gather this information for RIPE 74. Because it is not directly linked to the registration it will also be anonymous. If 500 people attended the meeting and 200 people choose to complete the questionnaire you have no idea which 200 they are. That would satisfy my concerns and you have the data in the bag for the last meeting. For future RIPE Meetings, you could again create a survey and include a link to it in the information pack handed to attendees at the meeting desk. Open the survey on Tuesday, by which time the majority of attendees have picked up their pack. Close the survey at the end of the meeting week, or maybe allow an extra week to complete it. An advantage of closing the survey at the end of the week is that even the IP addresses used by most people won't be identifiable if you did accidentally collect that information. The advantage of this is that you can run surveys at meetings without any link, direct or otherwise, to the identifiable registration data. cheersdenis

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Proposal for anonymous gender metric question now on RIPE Labs
by Amanda Gowland 20 Jun '17

20 Jun '17

Hi all, Based on our discussions here, I've written a post for RIPE Labs on how we can include an anonymous question to gather gender metrics on the RIPE 75 meeting registration form. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/agowland/gathering-gender-metrics-at-ripe-mee… Happy to hear your input. Thanks, Amanda

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FYI: ICANN gender diversity survey
by Shane Kerr 20 Jun '17

20 Jun '17

All, ICANN announced a survey of their own about gender diversity last week: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2017-06-12-en Nice to see ICANN looking at this. Cheers, -- Shane

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scope of effort?
by Paul Ebersman 09 Jun '17

09 Jun '17

Great to see this started. While I assume the initial focus is on RIPE, are there any plans to spread the effort to other NOGs around the world?

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Re: [diversity] Options for gender on meeting registration
by denis walker 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Hi All I am a bit late in getting into this group, but had a few pointers/concerns sent to me. I am not sure what the goals are with trying to measure all these metrics - gender, sexuality, religion, race, class. What are you going to do if you find only 1% of attendees are gay? Are you going to offer incentives to gay people attending to increase it to the population average? I am also DEEPLY concerned at the rush to get some question(s) on the registration form for RIPE 75. What you are asking for is the most sensitive and personal information people can give. With some of the countries in our region, if this information gets into the wrong hands it can cost lives. There are serious, serious, serious privacy concerns here. Amanda said "This data will only be used anonymously for metric benchmarking.". Sorry, but before we get to how this data is going to be used: -how is it going to be collected-who is going to collect it -how and where will it be stored-who has access to the raw data-how will the sensitive data be harvested from the personally identifiable data-are there Dutch/EU data protection issues with collecting/storing this data in an identifiable way This is not something you announce on a Thursday with a deadline for a decision on Monday. I hope a lot more thought and care will be applied to potentially life threatening personal information. cheersdenis

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Options for gender on meeting registration
by Amanda Gowland 02 Jun '17

02 Jun '17

Hi all, We have an opportunity to include a question on the meeting reg software in time for RIPE 75, but we need input by this coming Monday (hard deadline) if we want to have something in place. It's a chance to start gathering those metrics early. Question is, what do we want to include? One suggestion: What is your gender?* ☐ Female ☐ Male ☐ Non-binary/ third gender ☐ Prefer to self-describe _________________ ☐ Prefer not to say *And then we can have a pop-up info window to explain why we're asking this question: "We are committed to increasing diversity and inclusion at RIPE Meetings. One way we're doing this is to gather data to see where we need to improve. This data will only be used anonymously for metric benchmarking." Happy to hear your thoughts (soon please) so we can include this in our discussion with the developers. Many thanks, Amanda

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Diversity Discussions at RIPE 74 - Now on RIPE Labs
by Amanda Gowland 29 May '17

29 May '17

Hi everyone, Just in case you didn't catch it on social media or the ripe-list, just wanted to share this with you: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/agowland/diversity-discussions-at-ripe-74 Many thanks to Constanze Dietrich for making us an illustration to use as the lead image! Please share in your circles <3 Amanda

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Re: [diversity] Opening the mailing list
by Mirjam Kuehne 23 May '17

23 May '17

Hi, Just to let you know: The archives have been deleted and the mailing list is now open for everyone to subscribe (and the new archives will be public). I suggest we wait until we have that RIPE Labs article ready before we promote the list more? That way people have something to talk about and to volunteer for :-) Mirjam On 17/05/17 15:30, Leslie wrote: > Sounds perfect to me! > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet(a)heanet.ie> wrote: > Cool. > > And I think a blog post would be wonderful. > > Brian > > Brian Nisbet > Network Operations Manager > HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network > 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland > +35316609040 brian.nisbet(a)heanet.ie www.heanet.ie > Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 > > On 17/05/2017 09:40, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> So, I think we are in agreement to: >>>> >>>> - open up the list so that people can subscribe - delete the >>>> archives >>>> >>>> Anything else? >>>> >>>> Vesna suggested to write a blog post for RIPE Labs that we can >>>> then use to promote this the activity, the task force and the >>>> mailing list. >>>> >>>> Cheers, Mirjam >>>> >>>> On 17/05/17 10:05, Shane Kerr wrote: >>>>> Vesna, >>>> >>>>> [ warning: transparency advocate speaking ] >>>> >>>>> At 2017-05-15 14:08:12 +0200 Vesna Manojlovic <BECHA(a)ripe.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15/05/17 13:01, Brian Nisbet wrote: >>>>>>> Afternoon, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll admit I was hoping we could keep this list as the >>>>>>> taskforce internal list, while opening up the membership of >>>>>>> the taskforce. >>>>>> >>>>>> (but how would the taskforce communicate then?!?!) >>>>>> >>>>>> So... >>>>>> >>>>>> Shall we open _another_ list, called "diversity-list(a)ripe.net", >>>>>> and make that completely open - open subscription, >>>>>> open=public archives.. >>>>>> >>>>>> .. and then see what do we send there, and what do we send to >>>>>> *this* smaller list; and if one or the other becomes redundant >>>>>> in a year, we close one.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Otherwise, I am ready to get our techies to do whatever we >>>>>> agree: - clean up the archives - open the existing list to >>>>>> subscription - re-publish the archives... >>>> >>>>> I'd rather just wipe the archives and start fresh. "Cleaning the >>>>> archives" is always going to be tricky, both time-consuming and >>>>> error-prone. I don't see any strong requirement to preserve the >>>>> previous discussion. >>>> >>>>> If we need a closed list then we can set up >>>>> diversity-cabal(a)ripe.net, diversilluminati(a)ripe.net something >>>>> like that (akin to the ${WG}-chairs(a)ripe.net lists for RIPE >>>>> working groups). >>>> >>>>> But honestly I think we are dangerously close to having the >>>>> mindset of a small group of activists who are doing things for or >>>>> to the community rather than being merely the most active folks >>>>> in a larger group of like-minded people. Having a closed list >>>>> strengthens that way of thinking. >>>> >>>>> Lets just be open and if we have problems we can figure out what >>>>> to do, like Leslie said in a separate mail. >>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>>> -- Shane >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ Diversity >>>>> mailing list Diversity(a)ripe.net >>>>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Diversity mailing >>>> list Diversity(a)ripe.net >>>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Diversity mailing list >> Diversity(a)ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity > > _______________________________________________ > Diversity mailing list > Diversity(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity >

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