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Re: [diversity] Opening the mailing list
by Mirjam Kuehne 23 May '17

23 May '17

Hi, Just to let you know: The archives have been deleted and the mailing list is now open for everyone to subscribe (and the new archives will be public). I suggest we wait until we have that RIPE Labs article ready before we promote the list more? That way people have something to talk about and to volunteer for :-) Mirjam On 17/05/17 15:30, Leslie wrote: > Sounds perfect to me! > > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet(a)heanet.ie> wrote: > Cool. > > And I think a blog post would be wonderful. > > Brian > > Brian Nisbet > Network Operations Manager > HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network > 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland > +35316609040 brian.nisbet(a)heanet.ie www.heanet.ie > Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 > > On 17/05/2017 09:40, Mirjam Kuehne wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> So, I think we are in agreement to: >>>> >>>> - open up the list so that people can subscribe - delete the >>>> archives >>>> >>>> Anything else? >>>> >>>> Vesna suggested to write a blog post for RIPE Labs that we can >>>> then use to promote this the activity, the task force and the >>>> mailing list. >>>> >>>> Cheers, Mirjam >>>> >>>> On 17/05/17 10:05, Shane Kerr wrote: >>>>> Vesna, >>>> >>>>> [ warning: transparency advocate speaking ] >>>> >>>>> At 2017-05-15 14:08:12 +0200 Vesna Manojlovic <BECHA(a)ripe.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15/05/17 13:01, Brian Nisbet wrote: >>>>>>> Afternoon, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll admit I was hoping we could keep this list as the >>>>>>> taskforce internal list, while opening up the membership of >>>>>>> the taskforce. >>>>>> >>>>>> (but how would the taskforce communicate then?!?!) >>>>>> >>>>>> So... >>>>>> >>>>>> Shall we open _another_ list, called "diversity-list(a)ripe.net", >>>>>> and make that completely open - open subscription, >>>>>> open=public archives.. >>>>>> >>>>>> .. and then see what do we send there, and what do we send to >>>>>> *this* smaller list; and if one or the other becomes redundant >>>>>> in a year, we close one.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Otherwise, I am ready to get our techies to do whatever we >>>>>> agree: - clean up the archives - open the existing list to >>>>>> subscription - re-publish the archives... >>>> >>>>> I'd rather just wipe the archives and start fresh. "Cleaning the >>>>> archives" is always going to be tricky, both time-consuming and >>>>> error-prone. I don't see any strong requirement to preserve the >>>>> previous discussion. >>>> >>>>> If we need a closed list then we can set up >>>>> diversity-cabal(a)ripe.net, diversilluminati(a)ripe.net something >>>>> like that (akin to the ${WG}-chairs(a)ripe.net lists for RIPE >>>>> working groups). >>>> >>>>> But honestly I think we are dangerously close to having the >>>>> mindset of a small group of activists who are doing things for or >>>>> to the community rather than being merely the most active folks >>>>> in a larger group of like-minded people. Having a closed list >>>>> strengthens that way of thinking. >>>> >>>>> Lets just be open and if we have problems we can figure out what >>>>> to do, like Leslie said in a separate mail. >>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>>> -- Shane >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ Diversity >>>>> mailing list Diversity(a)ripe.net >>>>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Diversity mailing >>>> list Diversity(a)ripe.net >>>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Diversity mailing list >> Diversity(a)ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity > > _______________________________________________ > Diversity mailing list > Diversity(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity >

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Poorer regions travel and so on...
by David Hilario 22 May '17

22 May '17

Hi, Since you are looking at diversity in general, and reason for why people do not participate more, some real life issues preventing from actually going to the meeting can be many. Those are just some examples that are concrete issues preventing people from attending. Basically: 1. Money 2. Papers 3. Legal discrimination This first one is about the simple case of money. Costs were not mentioned too much. The cost of a RIPE meeting ticket, is a monthly salary or more in many countries within the RIPE region and that is without factoring in travel and accommodation. So even if we were to have the meetings inside some of the poorer countries to save them the cost of travelling and accommodation, it would still set them back a lot in just the meeting costs. So the costs itself is a barrier to entry and physical participation regardless of location, just sometimes absurdly too expensive when the meeting ends up in London for example. Second point for the travel papers. Ease of visa requests (if any needed), some countries are easier than other on issuing visas, the Schengen block is actually not the most friendly place on earth to have international conference and receive people from all over the globe, visa applications can be very cumbersome for some countries, even for countries from within the RIPE Region requiring visas to come and visit Schengen block countries. Many will be discourage from applying when you have to hand over your passport for a couple of weeks or months to an embassy that sometimes happen to even be located in another country than your own with no guarantees of success on your application and a lot of humiliation in the process. This third one is the local laws. Some countries may actually not allowing you to be there at all, no visa to be rejected as you simply should not consider it, you are just not welcome just for who you are. Local laws are sometimes themselves prohibiting people from even considering any physical participation. UAE laws are a good example. They do not let people with HIV into the country, let alone let them take their medicines with them. You may be refused entry based on your country of origin or sexual orientation and identification. Those things are known in advance, and people should always read upon where they are going anyways. However, having physical meeting in the various regions even the ones with restrictions is needed to reach out and encompass as much people as possible and invite them to become active members of the community. I do like the dilemma it poses right there, reaching out to certain communities automatically shuts out people from other communities, nice conundrum with no real way out of it. Good luck! Good initiative, lots of headaches :D David Hilario IP Manager Larus Cloud Service Limited p: +852 29888918 m: +359 89 764 1784 f: +852 29888068 a: Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen Wan, HKSAR w: laruscloudservice.net/uk e: d.hilario(a)laruscloudservice.net

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Re: [diversity] Meanwhile, in another technical community - 10 years of N2Women
by Katharine Jarmul 19 May '17

19 May '17

Thanks Vesna, that's a great article! I had dinner with the PyLadies Madrid founder Yamila (and several other PyLadies) last night. She mentioned her company's hiring process, which I found interesting. The full article is here: http://moduslaborandi.net/2016/05/a-postmorten-about-our-hiring-process/ But very cool transparency on numbers and gender breakdown. They had 65 applicants, 14 women. When they ended up at the final interview they had 6 women, 4 men. This is because they went through and rated talent based on the CV, github and so on. They also took into account that women tend to underestimate their abilities and men tend to apply to jobs even if they may not meet all requirements. She said they are tremendously happy with the new hires and hope to grow the team again soon. :) Thought you all might enjoy hearing about other folks' processes and example posts around sharing data and stories :) Cheers, kj ---- On Tue, 16 May 2017 09:54:00 +0200 Vesna Manojlovic <BECHA(a)ripe.net> wrote ---- I am on this other list, called "N2", and ACM GetMobile Magazine has published an article to celebrate 10 Years of "Networking Networking Women! "We even made the cover page for this edition." http://n2women.comsoc.org https://www.irit.fr/~Katia.Jaffres/Fichiers/10yearsN2Women.pdf Something to learn from ... Ciao, Vesna

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