November 2019 - diversity - mailman.ripe.net

Fwd: Impact analisys of the new Code of Conduct
by Hans Petter Holen 01 May '24

01 May '24

I have requested an impact analisys from the RIPE NCC as requested by the task force. -hph ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Hans Petter Holen <hph(a)oslo.net> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 00:31 Subject: Impact analisys of the new Code of Conduct To: rna-exec(a)ripe.net Mailing List <rna-exec(a)ripe.net> Cc: Athina Fragkouli <athina.fragkouli(a)ripe.net> The diversity task force has published a draft of a new code of conduct (CoC). Before moving this forward I would like to request an impact assesment from the RIPE NCC for the community to understand if there is an impact on the RIPE NCC and if this impact can be accepted. https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-meeting-code-o… For the record, I would also like to point out that there is an existing code of conduct in place: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-meeting-code-o… The new code of conduct does however specify how the Trusted Contacts (now Code of Conduct team) is appointed and outlines in more details what actions can be taken. It can be argued that all theese actions can be taken allready, by the Trusted Contacts, RIPE Chair, PC and RIPE NCC meeting organisers today, but the new CoC makes this explicit. Yours sincerely, Hans Petter Holen RIPE Chair -- -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph(a)oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net -- -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph(a)oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net

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Fwd: Impact analisys of the new Code of Conduct
by Athina Fragkouli 16 Dec '19

16 Dec '19

Dear Hans Petter, Thank you for the request. The RIPE NCC will do a full Impact Analysis of the version 3.0 CoC including a full legal review. We expect to complete this in the coming 3-4 weeks. Comments and input on the version 2.0 were given internally in an effort to explain certain legal aspects of the draft, but this will be the first full impact analysis. To avoid us needing to do an impact analysis on a newer version, we would ask that further input and comments are incorporated into the 3.0 version after we conduct the impact analysis. This might make things easier for us and for the Task Force. Kind regards, Athina Fragkouli Chief Legal Officer RIPE NCC > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [diversity] Fwd: Impact analisys of the new Code of Conduct > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 00:32:00 +0200 > From: Hans Petter Holen <hph(a)oslo.net> > Reply-To: hph(a)oslo.net > To: diversity(a)ripe.net <diversity(a)ripe.net> > > > > I have requested an impact analisys from the RIPE NCC as requested by > the task force. > > -hph > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Hans Petter Holen* <hph(a)oslo.net <mailto:hph@oslo.net>> > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 00:31 > Subject: Impact analisys of the new Code of Conduct > To: rna-exec(a)ripe.net <mailto:rna-exec@ripe.net> Mailing List > <rna-exec(a)ripe.net <mailto:rna-exec@ripe.net>> > Cc: Athina Fragkouli <athina.fragkouli(a)ripe.net > <mailto:athina.fragkouli@ripe.net>> > > > > The diversity task force has published a draft of a new code of conduct > (CoC). Before moving this forward I would like to request an impact > assesment from the RIPE NCC for the community to understand if there is > an impact on the RIPE NCC and if this impact can be accepted. > > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-meeting-code-o… > > For the record, I would also like to point out that there is an existing > code of conduct in place: > > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/ripe-meetings/ripe-meeting-code-o… > > The new code of conduct does however specify how the Trusted Contacts > (now Code of Conduct team) is appointed and outlines in more details > what actions can be taken. > > It can be argued that all theese actions can be taken allready, by the > Trusted Contacts, RIPE Chair, PC and RIPE NCC meeting organisers today, > but the new CoC makes this explicit. > > Yours sincerely, > Hans Petter Holen > RIPE Chair > > > > -- > -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph(a)oslo.net > <mailto:hph@oslo.net> | http://hph.oslo.net > -- > -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph(a)oslo.net > <mailto:hph@oslo.net> | http://hph.oslo.net

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Towards a more inclusive community
by Job Snijders 22 Nov '19

22 Nov '19

Dear all, I've been observing various efforts towards constructing a safe and inclusive environment both at RIPE meetings and our online platforms. I appreciate these efforts, however, I have some concerns with the process and our ability to execute. A careful observer may see that the next generation of Internet engineers is not quite like the current establishment. I believe this diversity needs to be acknowledged in our policies. We owe it to them to create an environment that contributes to their comfort and well being. I recorded some thoughts on my way to RIPE - https://youtu.be/6_dLgcfv8kU Kind regards, Job

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Re: [diversity] [address-policy-wg] cultural idioms in RIPE discussions
by JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 01 Nov '19

01 Nov '19

Diversity? (in copy) El 1/11/19 13:50, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Brian Nisbet" <address-policy-wg-bounces(a)ripe.net en nombre de brian.nisbet(a)heanet.ie> escribió: I'm sure it will shock absolutely nobody if I say that I think this conversation is very important. Maybe AP-WG isn't the best place, but I'm not sure where is? I think it is useful to all of us to realise that our cultural references are not everyone else's, because of language or country or age or one of many other things. We can no longer just assume a shared set of references and we should look to inform (and hopefully share the awesomeness that is Monthy Python, for instance) and expand. I mean, how long will it be before WG Chairs start to talk about yeeting proposals into or out of WGs? 😊 I'm not, for one second, suggesting people shouldn't use references, I use them all the time, but I am saying that those who use them should be understanding when others don't get them. Thanks, Brian Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet(a)heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 > -----Original Message----- > From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces(a)ripe.net> On Behalf > Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg > Sent: Friday 1 November 2019 12:38 > To: Jim Reid <jim(a)rfc1035.com> > Cc: RIPE Address Policy WG List <address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net> > Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] cultural idioms in RIPE discussions > > Hi Jim, > > Despite how many years I've been participating, I still have (sometimes) > difficulties, and often talking with other non-native English speakers they tell > me the same. We know that not everybody is happy to express that in a list. > > I'm not convinced "common-sense" is such simple thing! Otherwise, either > I'm really stupid, or I should have cached the reference in a more humoristic > way. > > I don't think we can compare our technical jargon with such kind of > references, especially because not everybody (as it is my case) follows > "Monty Python, Star Wars, Star Trek, H2G2, etc.". Precisely because I often > heard those references, I decided today, to ask for a clarification! I've missed > a lot of fun, I guess! > > I didn't respond to the first email because, sometimes, when a thread is > moving fast in the list, you just respond to the last email that you read. Not > sure if that's a broken way, but I do sometimes. > > Regards, > Jordi > @jordipalet > > > > El 1/11/19 13:27, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Jim Reid" <address- > policy-wg-bounces(a)ripe.net en nombre de jim(a)rfc1035.com> escribió: > > > > > On 1 Nov 2019, at 11:14, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg > <address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net> wrote: > > > > My point was also a general observation (not something against any > specific participant, just taking advantage of this specific example, as a > mention to "Spanish inquisition" and "routing police" could be interpreted in > between lines as something different, even if not intended). > > Jordi, your comment is a reasonable one. But it misses the point. In this > case, your common sense should have told you the earlier remark wasn't a > literal reference to the Spanish Inquisition. > > The RIPE/tech community habitually uses references to a variety of idioms > from popular culture in films, TV, books and songs. Using catchphrases from > Monty Python, Star Wars, Star Trek, H2G2, etc. are very common. That's > gone on for decades. These phrases might well confuse non-native English > speakers at first. Or (say) an English speaker who haven't seen Star Wars. > However people soon pick up these references, just like we all learn the > industry jargon -- route flapping, prefix filtering, trust anchors, ROA, PI > address space, etc -- that probably doesn't translate well into other > languages. That sort of understanding becomes almost automatic for those > who have been active in these communities for a while. > > To be honest Jordi, I'm surprised you said you were confused. Since you've > been coming to RIPE/IETF/ICANN meetings for longer than I can remember, > this couldn't possibly have been the first time you've come across a Monty > Python reference. > > And if you were confused, you could have said so at the time and asked > the original poster to explain. I think that's a far better way to handle things. > It's certainly far more productive than starting this meta-discussion or telling > others how they should express themselves. > > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the > individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if > partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a > criminal offense. 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