June 2017 - diversity - mailman.ripe.net

survey included without any announcement to WGs
by denis walker 28 Jun '17

28 Jun '17

Hi Despite my objections and suggestion for a safer way to do this, I see you have gone ahead and included the SurveyMonkey link on the registration form for RIPE 75 without any announcement to the WG chairs, this Wg or any other Wg. You have even said on the form "Please answer the question anonymously via SurveyMonkey" which is simply NOT true. People should be told that this data is NOT collected anonymously, but will be used anonymously. As I have said before, this is not the same thing. cheersdenis

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How to contribute to the charter?
by Malcolm Hutty 26 Jun '17

26 Jun '17

Dear all, I am responding to the invitation for volunteers for the taskforce, and also for contributions to the draft charter. I would like to make some suggestions on the charter, but I see etherpad does not have change control markings. So while I could add new sections easily enough, if I were to change or delete existing text, that would hide what others have written before me, which isn't my intention. I also fear it might not be well received by the original author of those words. I know Google docs represents deletions/edits with a strikethrough on the original text, rather than suppressing it - but I also know that some people prefer not to use Google docs, and etherpad may have been chosen quite deliberately. So my first question is, how would you prefer to receive such contributions? Would you like me to start a new etherpad, for example? Malcolm. -- Malcolm Hutty | tel: +44 20 7645 3523 Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog London Internet Exchange | http://publicaffairs.linx.net/ London Internet Exchange Ltd Monument Place, 24 Monument Street London EC3R 8AJ Company Registered in England No. 3137929 Trinity Court, Trinity Street, Peterborough PE1 1DA

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Fwd: WebEx meeting invitation: RIPE Diversity Task Force (on-line meeting, 27.6. 10:30 CEST)
by Vesna Manojlovic 26 Jun '17

26 Jun '17

Dear all, please see below for the details of the meeting tomorrow, as was announced few weeks ago. This is just one of the opportunities to contribute to the Diversity Task Force work -- if you can not join the call, please read the notes that will be published, or the previous publications on RIPE Labs, and volunteer to do some of the actions. Agenda: - scheduling next meeting - introduction of new members/volunteers - discussing the drat charter - actions & milestones - new actions Reminder of the Etherpad document for online collaboration: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/ripe-diversity-tf-2017 Please let me know (off-list) if you are planning to join. Regards, Vesna Manojlovic Community Builder RIPE NCC -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: WebEx meeting invitation: RIPE Diversity Task Force Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:03:22 +0000 (GMT) *RIPE Diversity Task Force* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:30 am | Europe Summer Time (Amsterdam, GMT+02:00) | 1 hr Meeting number (access code): 705 593 356 Meeting password: MSFPJRH5 Add to Calendar <https://ripencc.webex.com/ripencc/j.php?MTID=m5570ded4571b5669142f2c063475d…> When it's time, join the meeting <https://ripencc.webex.com/ripencc/j.php?MTID=mc9355ebc871a432648bd105b741c1…>. *Join by phone* *0800-051-3810* Call-in toll-free number (UK) *+44-203-478-5289* Call-in toll number (UK) Global call-in numbers <https://ripencc.webex.com/ripencc/globalcallin.php?serviceType=MC&ED=548909…> | Toll-free calling restrictions <https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf> Can't join the meeting? <https://help.webex.com/docs/DOC-5412> IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and other information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to being recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not join the session.

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Fwd: [ripe-list] Please join RIPE Diversity Task Force
by Vesna Manojlovic 23 Jun '17

23 Jun '17

FYI We've sent another invitation to the broader RIPE community. Vesna -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [ripe-list] Please join RIPE Diversity Task Force Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:10:44 +0200 From: Vesna Manojlovic <BECHA(a)ripe.net> To: ripe-list(a)ripe.net Dear colleagues, There have been efforts to increase diversity and inclusion at RIPE Meetings since RIPE 73 in Madrid. A new task force was formed at RIPE 74 and we would like to invite anyone interested in diversity to participate. It's important that we have a variety of voices contributing to the discussion. Even (especially!) if you're new to the community - we want to hear from you! This is a great way to have an impact on the development of RIPE Meetings to come. Join the conversation on the RIPE Diversity mailing list: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/diversity Catch up on the archives on the RIPE Forum: https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum/diversity Get up-to-date on progress so far on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/agowland/diversity-discussions-at-ripe-74 If you want to join our first call for the RIPE Diversity Task Force, mark your calendar for Tuesday, 27 June at 10:30 CEST. A link to the conference call will be posted to the mailing list soon. If you miss this online meeting, there will be more opportunities later - we are planning to work on this long term. Regards, Vesna Manojlovic Community Builder RIPE NCC

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Task-force practicalities: meeting, charter, collaborative documentation, actions
by Vesna Manojlovic 23 Jun '17

23 Jun '17

Hi list, it's good to see some activity on the list, after the article is published! I am hoping to see many of you join the task-force too! I'd like to get practical, and get on with the "tasks" of the task-force :) To that goal, I suggest that we have a first online meeting ASAP: date & time: 26.6.2017 (Tuesday), 10:30 AM CEST URL - to be sent later (online-video-meeting tool Webex, most likely) Provisional agenda: - introduction of new members/volunteers - discussing the drat charter - actions & milestones - next meeting To work on the agenda in more detail, to word-smith the charter, and to keep track of the actions, here is a new Etherpad document: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/ripe-diversity-tf-2017 If there are any changes needed, to the date or agenda, please use this list to discuss them. Any volunteer to draft the first version of the charter? Ciao, Vesna

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An idea for doing an anonymous survey
by denis walker 22 Jun '17

22 Jun '17

Hi I recently completed the ICANN survey on diversity and gradually an idea came to mind. First a question. Why are you linking the RIPE survey to the registration process? This is the bit that causes me a problem. This link makes it much more difficult to collect the diversity data anonymously. ICANN has not linked their survey to any registration process for any specific meeting. They have simply announced a link to a survey that anyone, like myself, can go to and complete. Within the survey they asked some questions like "Have you ever attended an ICANN meeting?". This allows ICANN to gather anonymous information and put it into context regarding ICANN meeting attendees. So, you could create a survey, using SurveyMonkey if you wish, and send a link to the survey to all the attendees of RIPE 74. This allows you to retrospectively gather this information for RIPE 74. Because it is not directly linked to the registration it will also be anonymous. If 500 people attended the meeting and 200 people choose to complete the questionnaire you have no idea which 200 they are. That would satisfy my concerns and you have the data in the bag for the last meeting. For future RIPE Meetings, you could again create a survey and include a link to it in the information pack handed to attendees at the meeting desk. Open the survey on Tuesday, by which time the majority of attendees have picked up their pack. Close the survey at the end of the meeting week, or maybe allow an extra week to complete it. An advantage of closing the survey at the end of the week is that even the IP addresses used by most people won't be identifiable if you did accidentally collect that information. The advantage of this is that you can run surveys at meetings without any link, direct or otherwise, to the identifiable registration data. cheersdenis

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Proposal for anonymous gender metric question now on RIPE Labs
by Amanda Gowland 20 Jun '17

20 Jun '17

Hi all, Based on our discussions here, I've written a post for RIPE Labs on how we can include an anonymous question to gather gender metrics on the RIPE 75 meeting registration form. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/agowland/gathering-gender-metrics-at-ripe-mee… Happy to hear your input. Thanks, Amanda

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FYI: ICANN gender diversity survey
by Shane Kerr 19 Jun '17

19 Jun '17

All, ICANN announced a survey of their own about gender diversity last week: https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2017-06-12-en Nice to see ICANN looking at this. Cheers, -- Shane

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scope of effort?
by Paul Ebersman 09 Jun '17

09 Jun '17

Great to see this started. While I assume the initial focus is on RIPE, are there any plans to spread the effort to other NOGs around the world?

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Re: [diversity] Options for gender on meeting registration
by denis walker 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

Hi All I am a bit late in getting into this group, but had a few pointers/concerns sent to me. I am not sure what the goals are with trying to measure all these metrics - gender, sexuality, religion, race, class. What are you going to do if you find only 1% of attendees are gay? Are you going to offer incentives to gay people attending to increase it to the population average? I am also DEEPLY concerned at the rush to get some question(s) on the registration form for RIPE 75. What you are asking for is the most sensitive and personal information people can give. With some of the countries in our region, if this information gets into the wrong hands it can cost lives. There are serious, serious, serious privacy concerns here. Amanda said "This data will only be used anonymously for metric benchmarking.". Sorry, but before we get to how this data is going to be used: -how is it going to be collected-who is going to collect it -how and where will it be stored-who has access to the raw data-how will the sensitive data be harvested from the personally identifiable data-are there Dutch/EU data protection issues with collecting/storing this data in an identifiable way This is not something you announce on a Thursday with a deadline for a decision on Monday. I hope a lot more thought and care will be applied to potentially life threatening personal information. cheersdenis

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