Proposal to revert NWI-10
From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a
Apologies if this email is a bit impolite. policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies. But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage. Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way. - Cynthia
To clarify, when I said "messed up the data on my resources" I meant that the delegated file now has invalid data. And invalid data that is supposed to be correct is a lot worse than incorrect data that is just provided by the resource holder. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:58 PM Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> wrote:
Apologies if this email is a bit impolite.
From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies.
But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage.
Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way.
- Cynthia
Hi Cynthia, Could you please elaborate on why the data is now invalid (what you think it is supposed to be, what it is now and what situation is causing it to be this way)? My understanding is that there was never a “proper” definition of the country field. Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. From: db-wg <db-wg-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Cynthia Revström via db-wg Sent: Monday, 7 December 2020 14:04 To: DB-WG <db-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10 To clarify, when I said "messed up the data on my resources" I meant that the delegated file now has invalid data. And invalid data that is supposed to be correct is a lot worse than incorrect data that is just provided by the resource holder. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:58 PM Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> wrote: Apologies if this email is a bit impolite. From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies. But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage. Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way. - Cynthia
Hi Matthias, Well before NWI-10 there was no proper definition, but there is now a definition, and as a result the RIPE NCC updated the resources to GB whereas the LIR is quite obviously SE. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
Could you please elaborate on why the data is now invalid (what you think it is supposed to be, what it is now and what situation is causing it to be this way)? My understanding is that there was never a “proper” definition of the country field.
Matthias Merkel
Staclar, Inc.
*From:* db-wg <db-wg-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Cynthia Revström via db-wg *Sent:* Monday, 7 December 2020 14:04 *To:* DB-WG <db-wg@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10
To clarify, when I said "messed up the data on my resources" I meant that the delegated file now has invalid data.
And invalid data that is supposed to be correct is a lot worse than incorrect data that is just provided by the resource holder.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:58 PM Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> wrote:
Apologies if this email is a bit impolite.
From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies.
But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage.
Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way.
- Cynthia
Hi Cynthia, ORG-ISSA10-RIPE is your LIR, right? It does indeed look like it should have a country attribute of Sweden. Did you ask the NCC about this already? Did they mention any reason for it being GB? Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 2:40 PM To: Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> Cc: db-wg@ripe.net <db-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10 Hi Matthias, Well before NWI-10 there was no proper definition, but there is now a definition, and as a result the RIPE NCC updated the resources to GB whereas the LIR is quite obviously SE. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com<mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com>> wrote: Hi Cynthia, Could you please elaborate on why the data is now invalid (what you think it is supposed to be, what it is now and what situation is causing it to be this way)? My understanding is that there was never a “proper” definition of the country field. Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. From: db-wg <db-wg-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg-bounces@ripe.net>> On Behalf Of Cynthia Revström via db-wg Sent: Monday, 7 December 2020 14:04 To: DB-WG <db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10 To clarify, when I said "messed up the data on my resources" I meant that the delegated file now has invalid data. And invalid data that is supposed to be correct is a lot worse than incorrect data that is just provided by the resource holder. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:58 PM Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> wrote: Apologies if this email is a bit impolite.
From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies.
But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage. Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way. - Cynthia
This is not my point, yes I could easily ask them to fix my specific case. My point is that I very much doubt I am the only one who has this issue, and I only noticed it as I was looking on bgp.he.net and noticed the GB flag. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:48 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
ORG-ISSA10-RIPE is your LIR, right? It does indeed look like it should have a country attribute of Sweden. Did you ask the NCC about this already? Did they mention any reason for it being GB?
Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. ------------------------------ *From:* Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 2:40 PM *To:* Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> *Cc:* db-wg@ripe.net <db-wg@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10
Hi Matthias,
Well before NWI-10 there was no proper definition, but there is now a definition, and as a result the RIPE NCC updated the resources to GB whereas the LIR is quite obviously SE.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Matthias Merkel < matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
Could you please elaborate on why the data is now invalid (what you think it is supposed to be, what it is now and what situation is causing it to be this way)? My understanding is that there was never a “proper” definition of the country field.
Matthias Merkel
Staclar, Inc.
*From:* db-wg <db-wg-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Cynthia Revström via db-wg *Sent:* Monday, 7 December 2020 14:04 *To:* DB-WG <db-wg@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10
To clarify, when I said "messed up the data on my resources" I meant that the delegated file now has invalid data.
And invalid data that is supposed to be correct is a lot worse than incorrect data that is just provided by the resource holder.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:58 PM Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> wrote:
Apologies if this email is a bit impolite.
From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies.
But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage.
Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way.
- Cynthia
Hi Cynthia, do you have any idea what may have caused this? I'd say this is likely an issue with the implementation of the proposal, not with the proposal itself. Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 2:49 PM To: Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> Cc: db-wg@ripe.net <db-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10 This is not my point, yes I could easily ask them to fix my specific case. My point is that I very much doubt I am the only one who has this issue, and I only noticed it as I was looking on bgp.he.net<http://bgp.he.net> and noticed the GB flag. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:48 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com<mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com>> wrote: Hi Cynthia, ORG-ISSA10-RIPE is your LIR, right? It does indeed look like it should have a country attribute of Sweden. Did you ask the NCC about this already? Did they mention any reason for it being GB? Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 2:40 PM To: Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com<mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com>> Cc: db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net> <db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10 Hi Matthias, Well before NWI-10 there was no proper definition, but there is now a definition, and as a result the RIPE NCC updated the resources to GB whereas the LIR is quite obviously SE. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com<mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com>> wrote: Hi Cynthia, Could you please elaborate on why the data is now invalid (what you think it is supposed to be, what it is now and what situation is causing it to be this way)? My understanding is that there was never a “proper” definition of the country field. Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. From: db-wg <db-wg-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg-bounces@ripe.net>> On Behalf Of Cynthia Revström via db-wg Sent: Monday, 7 December 2020 14:04 To: DB-WG <db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10 To clarify, when I said "messed up the data on my resources" I meant that the delegated file now has invalid data. And invalid data that is supposed to be correct is a lot worse than incorrect data that is just provided by the resource holder. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:58 PM Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> wrote: Apologies if this email is a bit impolite.
From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies.
But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage. Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way. - Cynthia
No I don't know what caused this, and if you read my original email you will see that I said "and how to implement it in a non-messy way." because yes ofc this is an implementation issue. But also I don't see how this could be well implemented in a non-messy way. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:51 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
do you have any idea what may have caused this? I'd say this is likely an issue with the implementation of the proposal, not with the proposal itself.
Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc.
------------------------------ *From:* Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 2:49 PM *To:* Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> *Cc:* db-wg@ripe.net <db-wg@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10
This is not my point, yes I could easily ask them to fix my specific case.
My point is that I very much doubt I am the only one who has this issue, and I only noticed it as I was looking on bgp.he.net and noticed the GB flag.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:48 PM Matthias Merkel < matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
ORG-ISSA10-RIPE is your LIR, right? It does indeed look like it should have a country attribute of Sweden. Did you ask the NCC about this already? Did they mention any reason for it being GB?
Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. ------------------------------ *From:* Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> *Sent:* Monday, December 7, 2020 2:40 PM *To:* Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> *Cc:* db-wg@ripe.net <db-wg@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10
Hi Matthias,
Well before NWI-10 there was no proper definition, but there is now a definition, and as a result the RIPE NCC updated the resources to GB whereas the LIR is quite obviously SE.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Matthias Merkel < matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
Could you please elaborate on why the data is now invalid (what you think it is supposed to be, what it is now and what situation is causing it to be this way)? My understanding is that there was never a “proper” definition of the country field.
Matthias Merkel
Staclar, Inc.
*From:* db-wg <db-wg-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Cynthia Revström via db-wg *Sent:* Monday, 7 December 2020 14:04 *To:* DB-WG <db-wg@ripe.net> *Subject:* Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10
To clarify, when I said "messed up the data on my resources" I meant that the delegated file now has invalid data.
And invalid data that is supposed to be correct is a lot worse than incorrect data that is just provided by the resource holder.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:58 PM Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> wrote:
Apologies if this email is a bit impolite.
From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies.
But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage.
Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way.
- Cynthia
Hi Cynthia, with all due respect, you did say "I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage." in your original email. I think bringing this up with the RIPE NCC would be a good first step to get the implementation fixed. Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 2:53 PM To: Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> Cc: DB-WG <db-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10 No I don't know what caused this, and if you read my original email you will see that I said "and how to implement it in a non-messy way." because yes ofc this is an implementation issue. But also I don't see how this could be well implemented in a non-messy way. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:51 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com<mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com>> wrote: Hi Cynthia, do you have any idea what may have caused this? I'd say this is likely an issue with the implementation of the proposal, not with the proposal itself. Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 2:49 PM To: Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com<mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com>> Cc: db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net> <db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10 This is not my point, yes I could easily ask them to fix my specific case. My point is that I very much doubt I am the only one who has this issue, and I only noticed it as I was looking on bgp.he.net<http://bgp.he.net> and noticed the GB flag. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:48 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com<mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com>> wrote: Hi Cynthia, ORG-ISSA10-RIPE is your LIR, right? It does indeed look like it should have a country attribute of Sweden. Did you ask the NCC about this already? Did they mention any reason for it being GB? Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. ________________________________ From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 2:40 PM To: Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com<mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com>> Cc: db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net> <db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10 Hi Matthias, Well before NWI-10 there was no proper definition, but there is now a definition, and as a result the RIPE NCC updated the resources to GB whereas the LIR is quite obviously SE. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com<mailto:matthias.merkel@staclar.com>> wrote: Hi Cynthia, Could you please elaborate on why the data is now invalid (what you think it is supposed to be, what it is now and what situation is causing it to be this way)? My understanding is that there was never a “proper” definition of the country field. Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. From: db-wg <db-wg-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg-bounces@ripe.net>> On Behalf Of Cynthia Revström via db-wg Sent: Monday, 7 December 2020 14:04 To: DB-WG <db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10 To clarify, when I said "messed up the data on my resources" I meant that the delegated file now has invalid data. And invalid data that is supposed to be correct is a lot worse than incorrect data that is just provided by the resource holder. - Cynthia On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:58 PM Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> wrote: Apologies if this email is a bit impolite.
From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies.
But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage. Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way. - Cynthia
Dear Cynthia, I would like to clarify that we have not finalised the implementation of NWI-10 yet so we have not made any changes to the country codes of old resources in the (extended) delegated stats. As far as I can see your resources show GB in the country code because it was selected during the resource request/transfer process. It is not related to the NWI-10 implementation. I would be happy to review this information with you during a call or via email. You can contact the RIPE NCC and we will happily change the country code to the country of legal presence or you can wait for the implementation of phase1 of NWI-10 which should happen next week (if everything goes well) where all country codes of LIR resources will be automatically changed to the country code of the member legal presence. Please let us know if you have any questions. Kind regards, -- Petrit Hasani Senior Technical Analyst RIPE NCC
On 7 Dec 2020, at 14:49, Cynthia Revström via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
This is not my point, yes I could easily ask them to fix my specific case.
My point is that I very much doubt I am the only one who has this issue, and I only noticed it as I was looking on bgp.he.net and noticed the GB flag.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:48 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote: Hi Cynthia,
ORG-ISSA10-RIPE is your LIR, right? It does indeed look like it should have a country attribute of Sweden. Did you ask the NCC about this already? Did they mention any reason for it being GB?
Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. From: Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 2:40 PM To: Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> Cc: db-wg@ripe.net <db-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10
Hi Matthias,
Well before NWI-10 there was no proper definition, but there is now a definition, and as a result the RIPE NCC updated the resources to GB whereas the LIR is quite obviously SE.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 2:16 PM Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel@staclar.com> wrote: Hi Cynthia,
Could you please elaborate on why the data is now invalid (what you think it is supposed to be, what it is now and what situation is causing it to be this way)? My understanding is that there was never a “proper” definition of the country field.
Matthias Merkel
Staclar, Inc.
From: db-wg <db-wg-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Cynthia Revström via db-wg Sent: Monday, 7 December 2020 14:04 To: DB-WG <db-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Proposal to revert NWI-10
To clarify, when I said "messed up the data on my resources" I meant that the delegated file now has invalid data.
And invalid data that is supposed to be correct is a lot worse than incorrect data that is just provided by the resource holder.
- Cynthia
On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 1:58 PM Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> wrote:
Apologies if this email is a bit impolite.
From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies.
But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage.
Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way.
- Cynthia
Hi, I was one of the few opping NWI-10 as I had this feeling that it could create more issues than solving any major one. but I think there is no way to revert it, unless someone proposes a new one and goes through the same process? Regards, Arash On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 11:58 PM Cynthia Revström via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Apologies if this email is a bit impolite.
From the start NWI-10 seemed like a pointless policy to me and just a policy that was made because the db-wg wanted to make more policies.
But as it has already messed up the data on my resources, I see it as a policy that messes up data and wastes time for no real advantage.
Hence I suggest that we revert NWI-10 unless someone actually has a good reason for why the legal address needs to match the delegated file, and how to implement it in a non-messy way.
- Cynthia
participants (4)
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Arash Naderpour -
Cynthia Revström -
Matthias Merkel -
Petrit Hasani