Re: [db-wg] Interest to continue NWI-9
Hi Cynthia, The NRTM v4 initiative is in an awkward early stage where various parties (with *no* obligations towards each other!) are attempting to set the stage for the future existence of an inter-operable successor to the NRTM v3 protocol. As indicated before, the nature of this call was informal, akin to a hallway meeting at a conference. Decisions about the RIPE NCC database are made on the db-wg@ipe.net mailing list. It was a courtesy to this group to indicate some volunteers would have a call to help progress things. You too were free to join. Hallway meetings are not recorded. I'm interested to hear your opinions on-list or off-list! :-) Kind regards, Job On Sat, Nov 07, 2020 at 10:36:43AM +0100, Cynthia Revström wrote:
I would like to see more here on the mailing list, so I would request that any future calls be recorded and published.
I have opinions on this subject and I don't think me missing the call should leave me out of the loop.
- Cynthia
On Fri, Nov 6, 2020, 11:31 Stavros Konstantaras < stavros.konstantaras@ams-ix.net> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
Yes the call happened and the problem description is almost ready. Soon will be published here in the mailing list so the DB-WG chairs can officially create a new NWI and submit it to RIPE NCC developers
Thank you for your support and your interest on that :)
Best regards,
Stavros Konstantaras | Sr. Network Engineer | AMS-IX M +31 (0) 620 89 51 04 | T +31 20 305 8999 ams-ix.net
On 6 Nov 2020, at 02:51, Cynthia Revström via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
I also support creating a new NWI for a modernized NRTM like service.
- Cynthia
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, 02:50 Cynthia Revström, <me@cynthia.re> wrote:
Hi Job,
Was there a call about this yet?
And if so, was there any outcome?
- Cynthia
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020, 20:38 Job Snijders via db-wg, <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 06:30:28PM +0100, denis walker wrote:
I would suggest we create NWI-12 to move forward with a new version of NRTM. Perhaps you could write the first draft of the problem statement?
Given that more people than just myself were engaged with this subject so far... maybe Stavros, Emil, a DB-WG chair, myself and any other interested parties can have a 1 hour group phone call to formulate an updated problem statement for NWI-12?
Perhaps next week, November 4th, 15:00 UTC? Consider it a "hallway chat", not something formal. The chairs can report back to the mailing list.
Kind regards,
Job
Hi All As Job said it is at an early discussion stage. If we do this using the NWI mechanism then the Problem statement and then a Solution definition will be discussed on the mailing list by anyone with an interest in this issue. Someone has to put forward a first draft for discussion. Once these are agreed, we have three options: A-The RIPE NCC does the design and implementation B-A small group (Task Force?) of community people, with the RIPE NCC, does the design and implementation C-We have design by committee on the mailing list Let's discuss the problem and solution ideas and then most likely option B is the way to move forward. cheers denis co-chair DB-WG On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 at 16:00, Job Snijders via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
The NRTM v4 initiative is in an awkward early stage where various parties (with *no* obligations towards each other!) are attempting to set the stage for the future existence of an inter-operable successor to the NRTM v3 protocol.
As indicated before, the nature of this call was informal, akin to a hallway meeting at a conference. Decisions about the RIPE NCC database are made on the db-wg@ipe.net mailing list. It was a courtesy to this group to indicate some volunteers would have a call to help progress things. You too were free to join. Hallway meetings are not recorded.
I'm interested to hear your opinions on-list or off-list! :-)
Kind regards,
Job
On Sat, Nov 07, 2020 at 10:36:43AM +0100, Cynthia Revström wrote:
I would like to see more here on the mailing list, so I would request that any future calls be recorded and published.
I have opinions on this subject and I don't think me missing the call should leave me out of the loop.
- Cynthia
On Fri, Nov 6, 2020, 11:31 Stavros Konstantaras < stavros.konstantaras@ams-ix.net> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
Yes the call happened and the problem description is almost ready. Soon will be published here in the mailing list so the DB-WG chairs can officially create a new NWI and submit it to RIPE NCC developers
Thank you for your support and your interest on that :)
Best regards,
Stavros Konstantaras | Sr. Network Engineer | AMS-IX M +31 (0) 620 89 51 04 | T +31 20 305 8999 ams-ix.net
On 6 Nov 2020, at 02:51, Cynthia Revström via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
I also support creating a new NWI for a modernized NRTM like service.
- Cynthia
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, 02:50 Cynthia Revström, <me@cynthia.re> wrote:
Hi Job,
Was there a call about this yet?
And if so, was there any outcome?
- Cynthia
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020, 20:38 Job Snijders via db-wg, <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 06:30:28PM +0100, denis walker wrote:
I would suggest we create NWI-12 to move forward with a new version of NRTM. Perhaps you could write the first draft of the problem statement?
Given that more people than just myself were engaged with this subject so far... maybe Stavros, Emil, a DB-WG chair, myself and any other interested parties can have a 1 hour group phone call to formulate an updated problem statement for NWI-12?
Perhaps next week, November 4th, 15:00 UTC? Consider it a "hallway chat", not something formal. The chairs can report back to the mailing list.
Kind regards,
Job
Hi Denis, If we end up with option B, consider me interested in joining :) -Cynthia On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 23:30 denis walker via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi All
As Job said it is at an early discussion stage. If we do this using the NWI mechanism then the Problem statement and then a Solution definition will be discussed on the mailing list by anyone with an interest in this issue. Someone has to put forward a first draft for discussion.
Once these are agreed, we have three options: A-The RIPE NCC does the design and implementation B-A small group (Task Force?) of community people, with the RIPE NCC, does the design and implementation C-We have design by committee on the mailing list
Let's discuss the problem and solution ideas and then most likely option B is the way to move forward.
cheers denis co-chair DB-WG
On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 at 16:00, Job Snijders via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
The NRTM v4 initiative is in an awkward early stage where various parties (with *no* obligations towards each other!) are attempting to set the stage for the future existence of an inter-operable successor to the NRTM v3 protocol.
As indicated before, the nature of this call was informal, akin to a hallway meeting at a conference. Decisions about the RIPE NCC database are made on the db-wg@ipe.net mailing list. It was a courtesy to this group to indicate some volunteers would have a call to help progress things. You too were free to join. Hallway meetings are not recorded.
I'm interested to hear your opinions on-list or off-list! :-)
Kind regards,
Job
On Sat, Nov 07, 2020 at 10:36:43AM +0100, Cynthia Revström wrote:
I would like to see more here on the mailing list, so I would request
that
any future calls be recorded and published.
I have opinions on this subject and I don't think me missing the call should leave me out of the loop.
- Cynthia
On Fri, Nov 6, 2020, 11:31 Stavros Konstantaras < stavros.konstantaras@ams-ix.net> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
Yes the call happened and the problem description is almost ready. Soon will be published here in the mailing list so the DB-WG chairs can officially create a new NWI and submit it to RIPE NCC developers
Thank you for your support and your interest on that :)
Best regards,
Stavros Konstantaras | Sr. Network Engineer | AMS-IX M +31 (0) 620 89 51 04 | T +31 20 305 8999 ams-ix.net
On 6 Nov 2020, at 02:51, Cynthia Revström via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
I also support creating a new NWI for a modernized NRTM like service.
- Cynthia
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, 02:50 Cynthia Revström, <me@cynthia.re> wrote:
Hi Job,
Was there a call about this yet?
And if so, was there any outcome?
- Cynthia
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020, 20:38 Job Snijders via db-wg, <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 06:30:28PM +0100, denis walker wrote: > I would suggest we create NWI-12 to move forward with a new version of > NRTM. Perhaps you could write the first draft of the problem > statement?
Given that more people than just myself were engaged with this subject so far... maybe Stavros, Emil, a DB-WG chair, myself and any other interested parties can have a 1 hour group phone call to formulate an updated problem statement for NWI-12?
Perhaps next week, November 4th, 15:00 UTC? Consider it a "hallway chat", not something formal. The chairs can report back to the mailing list.
Kind regards,
Job
Hello, To option B I'm interested to join as well. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: db-wg <db-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Cynthia Revström via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 12:52 AM To: denis walker <ripedenis@gmail.com> Cc: Database WG <db-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [db-wg] Interest to continue NWI-9 Hi Denis, If we end up with option B, consider me interested in joining :) -Cynthia On Sun, Nov 8, 2020, 23:30 denis walker via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net>> wrote: Hi All As Job said it is at an early discussion stage. If we do this using the NWI mechanism then the Problem statement and then a Solution definition will be discussed on the mailing list by anyone with an interest in this issue. Someone has to put forward a first draft for discussion. Once these are agreed, we have three options: A-The RIPE NCC does the design and implementation B-A small group (Task Force?) of community people, with the RIPE NCC, does the design and implementation C-We have design by committee on the mailing list Let's discuss the problem and solution ideas and then most likely option B is the way to move forward. cheers denis co-chair DB-WG On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 at 16:00, Job Snijders via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net>> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
The NRTM v4 initiative is in an awkward early stage where various parties (with *no* obligations towards each other!) are attempting to set the stage for the future existence of an inter-operable successor to the NRTM v3 protocol.
As indicated before, the nature of this call was informal, akin to a hallway meeting at a conference. Decisions about the RIPE NCC database are made on the db-wg@ipe.net<mailto:db-wg@ipe.net> mailing list. It was a courtesy to this group to indicate some volunteers would have a call to help progress things. You too were free to join. Hallway meetings are not recorded.
I'm interested to hear your opinions on-list or off-list! :-)
Kind regards,
Job
On Sat, Nov 07, 2020 at 10:36:43AM +0100, Cynthia Revström wrote:
I would like to see more here on the mailing list, so I would request that any future calls be recorded and published.
I have opinions on this subject and I don't think me missing the call should leave me out of the loop.
- Cynthia
On Fri, Nov 6, 2020, 11:31 Stavros Konstantaras < stavros.konstantaras@ams-ix.net<mailto:stavros.konstantaras@ams-ix.net>> wrote:
Hi Cynthia,
Yes the call happened and the problem description is almost ready. Soon will be published here in the mailing list so the DB-WG chairs can officially create a new NWI and submit it to RIPE NCC developers
Thank you for your support and your interest on that :)
Best regards,
Stavros Konstantaras | Sr. Network Engineer | AMS-IX M +31 (0) 620 89 51 04 | T +31 20 305 8999 ams-ix.net<http://ams-ix.net>
On 6 Nov 2020, at 02:51, Cynthia Revström via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net>> wrote:
I also support creating a new NWI for a modernized NRTM like service.
- Cynthia
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020, 02:50 Cynthia Revström, <me@cynthia.re<mailto:me@cynthia.re>> wrote:
Hi Job,
Was there a call about this yet?
And if so, was there any outcome?
- Cynthia
On Thu, 29 Oct 2020, 20:38 Job Snijders via db-wg, <db-wg@ripe.net<mailto:db-wg@ripe.net>> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 06:30:28PM +0100, denis walker wrote:
I would suggest we create NWI-12 to move forward with a new version of NRTM. Perhaps you could write the first draft of the problem statement?
Given that more people than just myself were engaged with this subject so far... maybe Stavros, Emil, a DB-WG chair, myself and any other interested parties can have a 1 hour group phone call to formulate an updated problem statement for NWI-12?
Perhaps next week, November 4th, 15:00 UTC? Consider it a "hallway chat", not something formal. The chairs can report back to the mailing list.
Kind regards,
Job
Hi, On Sun, Nov 08, 2020 at 11:30:03PM +0100, denis walker via db-wg wrote:
As Job said it is at an early discussion stage. If we do this using the NWI mechanism then the Problem statement and then a Solution definition will be discussed on the mailing list by anyone with an interest in this issue. Someone has to put forward a first draft for discussion.
Ideally RIPE NCC employees participate in the IETF process to produce NRTM v4. RIPE DB-WG members (and other industry stakeholders) are also free to participate in such a process. The GROW working group is probably the best fit given its history with RPSL.
Once these are agreed, we have three options: A-The RIPE NCC does the design and implementation B-A small group (Task Force?) of community people, with the RIPE NCC, does the design and implementation C-We have design by committee on the mailing list
The design for NRTM v4 should take place through the IETF process, as we seek to create an inter-operable standard supported by multiple implementations (some of which are not controlled by RIPE NCC).
Let's discuss the problem and solution ideas and then most likely option B is the way to move forward.
It is my understanding that an agreed upon problem statement in the form of a NWI from DB-WG will help RIPE NCC to allocate resources to help design and implement NRTM v4. Kind regards, Job
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Job Snijders