Re: [db-wg] Abuse Complaint procedures
Dear der Mouse I can understand your frustration at the apparent lack of response from the RIPE NCC in ensuring address space contacts in the Whois Database are accurate. The RIPE community decided that only the maintainers of objects in the database may make changes to data. The RIPE NCCs role is to implement this decision for the RIPE community. The RIPE Whois Database is a public database and therefore, although we (the RIPE NCC) aid in its operation, we are not responsible for its content. The RIPE community develops and sets policies through an open, bottom-up process of discussion and consensus-based decision making. If you wish to see changes to the policies that the RIPE NCC implement, the RIPE community has published the following process: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/pdp.html We are happy to assist you in drafting any policy proposal you would like to present to the community. The policy proposal template can be found here: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/pdp.html#appendix_b If you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact me. Yours sincerely, Dominic Spratley, Registration Services Manager RIPE NCC
The RIPE community decided that only the maintainers of objects in the database may make changes to data.
Fine; that means that RIPE's options are limited to bugging the assignee or revoking the grant of space. Seems somewhat crippled to me, but that's a RIPE-internal problem (if it's a problem at all).
The RIPE NCCs role is to implement this decision for the RIPE community. The RIPE Whois Database is a public database and therefore, although we (the RIPE NCC) aid in its operation, we are not responsible for its content.
RIPE - by which I mean the RIR, what you're calling "RIPE NCC" if I've understood you correctly - keeps trying to wash its hands of its responsibility this way. You can't. At most, you can, perhaps, make people think otherwise. But you handle the money, you accept address space from the IANA and you parcel it out in smaller pieces; you have to accept the responsibility that matches that authority. Or else, as I said before, you have a broken system, in which abuses grow more and more severe until the system collapses or changes bring authority and responsibility into line with one another. It's as inexorable - and as futile to try to fight - as gravity. (Indeed, I'd just write RIPE space off and let the process happen naturally, except that (a) I'd kinda like to be able to communicate with the people I know in Europe now and (b) the abuses involved produce effects that spill over into the rest of the net.) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
Hi,
RIPE - by which I mean the RIR, what you're calling "RIPE NCC" if I've understood you correctly - keeps trying to wash its hands of its responsibility this way.
I think that what Dominic is trying to say is: "If you want to change policy, go to the people who make the policy (RIPE community), not to the people who only implement that policy (RIPE NCC)". Nobody is trying to wash their hands of their responsibility, but you have to talk to the people who HAVE that responsibility... - Sander.
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