Dear RIPE DB-WG, Denis,

Comments below, inline, please...

Thanks.

Le vendredi 21 juillet 2023, denis walker <ripedenis@gmail.com> a écrit :

Hi Sylvain

You seem to think there is some issue here of going against some consensus or being disruptive.

Thanks for your reply, brother.

...you seem to have misunderstood, my point :-/

Look! as a Co-chairs, *i* think you should not say

any thing like:

<quote>

I will now go back to my previous way of
working where, as a co-chair, I do have an agenda - to get things
done, for the good of the internet. Whether you consider that a
'personal' or 'professional' or 'DB' agenda is up to you.

</quote>

Why? simply because there is a better way to act;

as Co-chair...at least, you would have verified if any

rule, backed by the WG consensus, allows you to behave differently...and if not, then consult the WG,

at worse, in order to *get your* consensus prior to

any personal varying decision, beside of the agreed

practices...but the best practice is to bind to your

tasks. If you don't like such *inertia*; then remove

your hat and contribute as you want. That's the actual long rough consensus, i think we behave

upon. But, i may be wrong :-/

Hope my thought is clearer, now :-/

...and that strong personal opinion, would change

nothing on my perception of your, imho valuable, engagement within the whole RIPE's community.

This is not the case. The simple fact
is, with so many topics on this mailing list, there is NO discussion.
If there is NO discussion there can be NO consensus. That is the basis
of this old fashioned, tried and tested, well documented, not to be
deviated from process...that often completely fails. I have always
made it clear that, even as a co-chair, I will express my own opinions
in order to drive discussion so that a consensus is possible. The
other chairs (previously the other chair) will determine consensus. In
many cases that is the only way to get anything done. If anyone has
any ideas how we can get the community involvement on many database
issues up to 5 or more people in a discussion (which would be an
amazing achievement) I would be very interested to hear your thoughts.

...feel free to start here [1,2], brother ;-)

[1]: <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2023-July/007857.html>

[2]: <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2023-July/007882.html>

...and if you still need more, after; then let me know.

Shalom,

--sb.

cheers
denis
co-chair DB-WG

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 at 00:19, Sylvain Baya <abscoco@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> {change the topic. focus: basic tasks}
> [...]
>

Best Regards !
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