At 04:00 PM 11/30/98 +0100, Joao Luis Silva Damas wrote: Just check http://www.checkdomain.com with some nonexistant domain housed at RIPE and tell me if something isn't wrong here. -Hank
Hello.
I am including the tld-wg into this discussion so as to make sure all involved parties are aware of the discussion.
Alexander Koch <akoch@sgh-net.de> writes: * Hello. * * > The design of this feature was specified some time ago by Carol Orange and * * > Wilfried Woeber (please see http://www.ripe.net/meetings/ripe/ripe-27/pres * /rout * > e/referral/) and discussed in the RIPE db-wg mailing list (please see * > http://www.ripe.net/mail-archives/db-wg/19970501-19970601/threads.html) * * Oh. Fine. Do I get it right that this was discussed and agreed on * more than a year ago? Argh. *
Yes, indeed. We had a period where we have been late with developments. That period is now behind us.
* This change breaks too many things, imnsho, and it seems again that if * you are not able to make it to the RIPE meetings, you have lost. A * special announce would have been most helpful (an explicit one, stating * this). *
But, we did... or so I thought. We'll look into more ways of getting this announcements across while trying to minimize the mails sent to people who don't care about this.
This particular feature has been actively asked for by the ccTLD adninistrators and seen as a good thing by everyone I have had a chance to speak with. These are actually the first complaints about it we have got so far.
* > As a side note I would like to stress that the RIPE Database is NOT the so * urce * > of authoritative data for domain objects (although we are happy to provide * a * > repository for TLD administrators). * > This is UNLIKE the internic whose business is to sell names. * * Oh. Fine. whois.nic.de *cough* barely ever working... Weak argument. * And If I wanted to know the data about the domain one level higher, * I can do so myself, I don't need to get it told to me by whois, I * want to know whether crab.de (bad example, it really exists) is in * the DB already or not.
I am sorry but I can't talk about the availability of services we don't operate.
I am sure you can look up domains yourself but this was actually seen as providing the users (specially the ones less familiar with the RIPE DB) with help on where to find the correct information.
It seems to me that over time people have developed a sense that the RIPE DB is the authoritative source of information regarding domain names in Europe. May be this issue should be up for debate now.
As a matter of fact the referral mechanism was seen as a way for ccTLD administrators to include information in the Database pointing to their own authoritative sources of information.
* * > The RIPE NCC is therefore acting according to users directives that were * > discussed and agreed on an open way. * * Hitchhiker's Guide, anyone? *sigh*
???
* * This was a not-so-nice change, really. Consider this a statement of * disagreement with the way the change took place. Ok, one more mailling * list to follow... Time to sell.
Will do so. As I said before, we will keep modifying and developing the RIPE DB software and in particular this feature if users feel that is what they want. We will also provide our point view. I would like to have the input of the community.
Regards, Joao
* * Regards, * Alexander Koch * * -- * SGH Internet Division, Alexander Koch, Systems Administration * Hannover, Germany, Phone +49 511 909198 0, Fax +49 511 391307 *