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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 11 Mar '04

11 Mar '04

Robert S. Plaul wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Titley, Nigel wrote: > >> All poems are limericks, true. >> There are no need for objects haiku >> This thread is amusing >> It set us all musing >> But we plainly have little to do >> >> Nigel > > The RIPE Database > Guardian of the limericks > Now needs the haiku > > The haiku object - > Greater flexibility > The virtue is clear Does the RIPE NCC have a view On provision of objects haiku? Are you bored and depressed And in need of a rest? Is this just too much extra to do? Nigel -- Nigel Titley Peering Coordinator, FLAG Telecom +44 20 7478 9579 ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by TAYON, Julien 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

Titley, Nigel <mailto:NTitley@flagtelecom.com> wrote: > And I, as usual, having sent the email, and gone off to make a cup of > tea, realised that there was a humorous interpretation of your > reply..... > Pssst RTFM (RFC 1855) Regarding Mailing lists it is written : - Remember that the recipient is a human being whose culture, language, and humor have different points of reference from your own. Remember that date formats, measurements, and idioms may not travel well. Be especially careful with sarcasm. Therefore remember to be deadly serious. PS is it possible to have a web page with all limmericks from the RIPE whois DB ? PPS march the 31st +-1 day is a good day for a RFC :) Jul

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by TAYON, Julien 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

>> All poems are limericks, true. >> There are no need for objects haiku >> This thread is amusing >> It set us all musing >> But we plainly have little to do >> >> Nigel > > The RIPE Database > Guardian of the limericks > Now needs the haiku > > The haiku object - > Greater flexibility > The virtue is clear > > Robert Without Haiku, I pity that all verses are lame. Still, this thread is fun for a flame, misunderstanding is to blame it is all the same ... with poems Julien

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

Robert S. Plaul wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> I can only say that I find it extremely unsporty that have not made >> the case for this new database object in haiku form then... > > That's because I first tried it in limerick form. These tries were so > exhausting (because of the restrictions of the limerick I described > before), that I did't even had the nerves to write haikus... Well, being a fan of the limerick form, as my previous posting has made clear, I present my argument in limerick form ;-) All poems are limericks, true. There are no need for objects haiku This thread is amusing It set us all musing But we plainly have little to do Nigel -- Nigel Titley Peering Coordinator, FLAG Telecom +44 20 7478 9579 ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 09 Mar '04

09 Mar '04

Now I can certainly agree that March 31st + 1 would be a good day for an RFC As regards the web page, suggest you ask Bert's secretary. Titley, Nigel < mailto:NTitley@flagtelecom.com <mailto:NTitley@flagtelecom.com> > wrote: > And I, as usual, having sent the email, and gone off to make a cup of > tea, realised that there was a humorous interpretation of your > reply..... > Pssst RTFM (RFC 1855) Regarding Mailing lists it is written : - Remember that the recipient is a human being whose culture, language, and humor have different points of reference from your own. Remember that date formats, measurements, and idioms may not travel well. Be especially careful with sarcasm. Therefore remember to be deadly serious. PS is it possible to have a web page with all limmericks from the RIPE whois DB ? PPS march the 31st +-1 day is a good day for a RFC :) Jul ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 08 Mar '04

08 Mar '04

And I, as usual, having sent the email, and gone off to make a cup of tea, realised that there was a humorous interpretation of your reply..... Nigel -- Nigel Titley Peering Coordinator, FLAG Telecom +44 20 7478 9579 -----Original Message----- From: Robert S. Plaul [mailto:robert@plaul.de] Sent: 08 March 2004 15:49 To: db-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Titley, Nigel wrote: > Anyone with even a meagre grasp of English should have been able to realise > that my response was intended humorously..... sigh.... no matter Sure. I possibly forgot to put some smilies in my answer. :) Robert > Nigel -- RSP-RIPE ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 08 Mar '04

08 Mar '04

Robert S. Plaul wrote: > On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Titley, Nigel wrote: > >> Whilst agreeing that the limerick is possibly restricted in its >> metrical form, I cannot agree with the statement that it is >> restricted to humorous subjects, and hence at least one of the >> objections to its general use is fallacious. > > $ whois -v limerick > [...] > The limerick class: > > The limerick object represents a humorous poem that has five > lines and the rhyme scheme "aabba". > [...] > text > > Text of the limerick. Must be humorous, but not malicious or > insulting. > [...] > > Although IMHO the limerick _is_ considered a humorous poem in > literature, the limerick object is not. > >> My solution to the lack of alternative metrical objects would simply >> be to redefine all poetry as limericks. > > I think, this is a poor solution. Haikus (and Sonnets, etc. > respectively) are no limericks and never will be. Do you want the > whole world to laugh about the RIPE NCC for not knowing what a > limerick is? > >> Also it has the merit of offering increased >> employment opportunities for poets, who would see their services >> called upon to rewrite all existing poetry in the limerick form. > > Sometimes. Maybe. But not every haiku can be rewritten into a > limerick. Sometimes a haiku can say more than a thousand words. > >> Nigel > > Robert Anyone with even a meagre grasp of English should have been able to realise that my response was intended humorously..... sigh.... no matter Nigel -- Nigel Titley Peering Coordinator, FLAG Telecom +44 20 7478 9579 ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 08 Mar '04

08 Mar '04

Whilst agreeing that the limerick is possibly restricted in its metrical form, I cannot agree with the statement that it is restricted to humorous subjects, and hence at least one of the objections to its general use is fallacious. That the metrical scheme has considerable flexibility is illustrated by the many examples received by the secret Working Group which do not conform to this supposed limitation. My solution to the lack of alternative metrical objects would simply be to redefine all poetry as limericks. I feel that this would be a far more acceptable solution, and also involves less work for the RIPE NCC. Also it has the merit of offering increased employment opportunities for poets, who would see their services called upon to rewrite all existing poetry in the limerick form. Nigel -- Nigel Titley Peering Coordinator, FLAG Telecom +44 20 7478 9579 ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet 08 Mar '04

08 Mar '04

>I can fully understand, that you prefer a more generic solution. However, >the remarks: field idea is IMHO not a very good solution. Just read the >mails in the abuse-c threads about abuse contact information in remark: >fields of inet(6)num objects... I agree, this is a very important aspect, and we should get it right this time!! >One advantage of my haiku object is, that its definition is - more or >less - a copy of existing limerick object. Again, a very important aspect: limit the impact on the large number of scripts which have to parse these objects on a regular basis! >The whois client as PIM application. I'm curious, what the database >administration is going to say about that... May I humbly suggest that the proponents of such an object come back with a draft write-up (ripe document format preferred) by 31 of March (maybe -0/+1 day :-)? This would allow scheduling a discussion topic for the May meeting in the DB-WG. Cordially, (your WG Chair) _________________________________:_____________________________________ Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber(a)CC.UniVie.ac.at UniVie Computer Center - ACOnet : Tel: +43 1 4277 - 140 33 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4277 - 9 140 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : RIPE-DB: WW144, PGP keyID 0xF0ACB369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ the street finds its own use for technology...

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by TAYON, Julien 08 Mar '04

08 Mar '04

Robert S. Plaul <mailto:robert@plaul.de> wrote: > Proposal for Adding a Haiku Object to the RIPE Database > > Requirement: > > System Administrators and other users of the RIPE Database need some > avocation beside their exhausting work with ip address space > assignments, routing and other occupations concerning database > objects which have to be taken seriously. The existing limerick > object provides such avocation but obviously has some limitations: > [...] > > Solution: > ... Even Though I fully agree with the need for a haiku object, because I am not sure of my limmericks (LIM-ROSE LIM-FRIENDS LIM-STRESS) I don't think the creation of an haiku object -per se- might be the solution. Mayhaps can we reuse the limerick objects and use the remarks field with one of the possible value : HAIKU, for haiku SONNET for such PROSE for freestyle poetry .... Therefore not only would we satisfy : - sysadmin that like well labelled object for easier retrieval, - poets for increasing their potentiality, - RIPE dba for not chaging the actual object. And if an object was to be created I would propose on the model of limerick object whois -t poem poem: [mandatory] [single] [primary/look-up key] descr: [optional] [multiple] [ ] text: [mandatory] [multiple] [ ] admin-c: [mandatory] [multiple] [inverse key] author: [mandatory] [multiple] [inverse key] remarks: [optional] [multiple] [ ] notify: [optional] [multiple] [inverse key] type: [mandatory] [single] [ ] mnt-by: [mandatory] [multiple] [inverse key] changed: [mandatory] [multiple] [ ] source: [mandatory] [single] [ ] Where type would be one of the folllowing : LIMERICK, PROSE, QUATRAIN, SONNET, HAIKU, ASCII-ART ... Such a solution would broadly sataisfy any sysadmin wanting to express his art freely. For managers I would propose a MEMO object too. Because, the whois DB might be the fully legitimate place for such a thing, the last place where you are gonna search for such an abomination. ;) Regards, Julien Tayon

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