Further into the subject.
About the new RIPE-DB software V3.X, is that a requirement when mirroring we
have to import
ALL the objects in order to satisfy the database referencial integerity ?
For example, when we mirror with RIPE, if the route object point to a mntner
object (thru mnt-by ) do we have to have that mntner object imported also ?
If the answer is YES then does a mirroring agreement mean we have to share
all the objects ?
Ping Lu
Cable & Wireless USA
Network Tools and Analysis Group
W: +1-703-292-2359
E: plu(a)cw.net
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lu, Ping [mailto:plu@cw.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 10:27 PM
> To: 'SchmitzJo(a)aol.com'; andrei(a)ripe.net; reimp-mig-tf(a)ripe.net;
> db-wg(a)ripe.net; routing-wg(a)ripe.net
> Subject: RE: Migration issues: route creation
>
>
> I think that's me :) Let's talk about the GLOBAL issues and
> the practical
> use of RR.
>
> For all RIRs like RIPE, ARIN, APNIC and so on. They are in a
> regulartory
> position so they OWN all the objects (AN, PN, MT) and they
> seldom need to
> CROSS-REFERENCE with other RIRs. So the self-contained assumption (all
> references should be resloved locally ) is fine with RIR.
>
> But for the LIRs (especially the ISPs) RR has a more
> practical use, like
> auto-generated access-lists and as-path filters. Almost all
> the major ISPs
> have their own tools or use the public tool like RAToolSet to
> pull data from
> RR then auto-generate the configiuration for their routers.
>
> Now here is the fun part.
>
> As a global player we have to create a list of objects ( AN,
> RT ) from all
> the RIRs and with any public peer (registered in one of the
> RIRs ) we have
> to create a list of rather private objects ( MT, PN, RO ).
> But it becomes
> too difficult to duplicate those private objects with up-to-date
> information, so the best way is to REFERENCE their LEGAL
> objects in any one
> of the RIRs ( of course if the AS itself agree us to do so ).
> This is where
> the GLOBALLY UNIQUE nic-hdl comes in and in a more generic
> sense, how about
> GLOBALLY UNIQUE maintainer name ?
>
> Does this sound like domain name system ? Sooner or later RR
> has to face the
> GLOBAL issue like DNS, IP address and E-MAIL did.
>
> We have already seen some of the global issues showed up in
> the RR domain (
> referral, globally unique nic-hdl ) and there will be more and more
> name-collision in the future.
>
> So why not adopt a naming system like DNS or E-MAIL ?
>
> Here is my favorite quote from RFC2622
> -----------------------------------------------------
> <nic-handle> is a uniquely assigned identifier word used
> by routing,
> address allocation, and other registries to
> unambiguously refer to
> contact information. Person and role classes map NIC handles to
> actual person names, and contact information.
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Hmmm! So RPSL already specify the need to use information from OTHER
> REGISTRIES.
>
> I rest my case.
>
> Ping Lu
> Cable & Wireless USA
> Network Tools and Analysis Group
> W: +1-703-292-2359
> E: plu(a)cw.net
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SchmitzJo(a)aol.com [mailto:SchmitzJo@aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 7:32 PM
> > To: andrei(a)ripe.net; reimp-mig-tf(a)ripe.net; db-wg(a)ripe.net;
> > routing-wg(a)ripe.net
> > Subject: Re: Migration issues: route creation
> >
> >
> > Dear Andrei,
> >
> > you wrote that there will be problems creating duplicates of
> > aut-nums and
> > routes in other registries if they do not formally belong
> > there due to the
> > authorization rules introduced with the RPSL transition at
> RIPE. You
> > suggested two solutions:
> >
> > > Possible solutions to this problem are:
> > >
> > > 1. Send such registration requests to the Database Administration
> > > (ripe-dbm) who will perform registration by overriding
> > security (and
> > > performing necessary checks before). This puts additional load on
> > > ripe-dbm and creates duplicate objects in the RIPE database and
> > > "foreign" IRR.
> > >
> > > 2. Do not allow such registrations. In this case some ISPs
> > will need to
> > > change their peering policy and accept routing information from a
> > > "foreign" IRR.
> > >
> > > Your comments and suggestions are highly appreciated.
> > >
> > I did not yet see an answer to your question. However, I
> > believe that your
> > first suggestion should *not* be followed. I definitely would
> > want to avoid
> > opening "side" paths to enter data into the RIPE database.
> > Using ripe-dbm
> > should be the exception for special requirements. For
> > everything else, the
> > robots should be used.
> >
> > Regarding duplication: this had originally been introduced to
> > help people
> > along while mirroring was not working. With RIPE having
> > transitioned to RPSL,
> > we will have compatible formats again, and do not need
> > duplication anymore -
> > under the prerequisite that you are properly coordinating
> > with RADB and any
> > other major IRR. I am inclined to say, that avoiding
> > duplication is the
> > purpose of the effort!
> >
> > Looking at your second proposal, I believe that you are
> > saying the right
> > thing, but phrased it a little different. Peering policy is
> > probably a term
> > which may be confused with routing policy - and nobody needs
> > to change its
> > routing policy by looking at several IRRs now. Actually, I
> > believe that there
> > is not much of an issue: Smaller ISPs have always registered
> > in only one IRR;
> > only bigger providers with international reach have entered
> > their information
> > into several IRRs and duplicated data, but then also using
> > data from all IRRs
> > they registered into. It should not be too much of a pain
> to use this
> > information to continue with this practice after the RPSL
> transition.
> >
> > Those parties who do not agree, speak up loudly now!
> > Thanks
> > Joachim
> >
> > --- JS395-RIPE -- standard disclaimer ---
> >
>