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Fwd: proposal: new attribute 'geofeed:
by Maria Stafyla 27 Jan '21

27 Jan '21

Hi Denis, all Please allow us some time to look into this and we will get back to you with our feedback next week. Kind regards, Maria Stafyla Senior Legal Counsel RIPE NCC > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: denis walker <ripedenis(a)gmail.com> > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 15:59 > Subject: Re: [db-wg] Fwd: proposal: new attribute 'geofeed: > To: Hank Nussbacher <hank(a)interall.co.il>, <legal(a)ripe.net> > Cc: Database WG <db-wg(a)ripe.net> > > > HI Hank, colleagues > > Whilst I can't answer your basic question, I could say that if the > IETF approves a change to RPSL, with the RIPE Database data model > based on RPSL, in principle we should implement the RPSL change. > > Perhaps another question, to the RIPE NCC legal team, if I have a > fixed IP address or block of addresses, is this geofeed location data > personal data under the terms of GDPR? > > cheers > denis > co-chair DB-WG > > On Wed, 6 Jan 2021 at 07:01, hank--- via db-wg <db-wg(a)ripe.net> wrote: >> I guess I am not understanding something. >> Why do we need a geofeed attribute? What problem are we trying to solve? >> >> I understand why each block of IPs needs to be associated with a >> country, so that certain language specific auto-customizations will >> work. But what purpose is there to know that a /24 is in central >> Amsterdam? Is the purpose to assist marketers in geo-targetted sales? >> Is the purpose for network engineering (not sure what major problem >> we have that needs this)? >> >> Is the purpose to know where you are so that in the event of an >> emergency (terror, tornado, etc) you can get emergency targeted >> alerts? If so, then the geofeed has to be at the /32 level and since >> many if not most IPs are mobile, and that is where you will get the >> alert from - from your cellphone provider, I still don't quite >> understand the reason for a geofeed tag. >> >> Can someone clue me in? >> >> Thanks, >> Hank >> >> Caveat: The views expressed above are solely my own and do not express >> the views or opinions of my employer >> >>

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Fwd: [anti-abuse-wg] 196.52.0.0/14 revoked, cleanup efforts needed
by Nick Hilliard 22 Jan '21

22 Jan '21

196.52.0.0/14 seems to have been revoked by afrinic: > $ whois -h whois.afrinic.net " --list-versions 196.52.0.0/14" | grep -i delete > % This object was deleted on 2021-01-16 05:56 > $ Regarding cleanup of route: objects for this this (and other) unregistered address space in the ripe irrdb, can this just be done? Or is it necessary to create a policy to ask the NCC to do it? Nick -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] 196.52.0.0/14 revoked, cleanup efforts needed Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 05:00:49 +0400 From: Ostap Efremov <kkind690(a)gmail.com> To: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Hi, 196.52.0.0/14 <http://196.52.0.0/14> was recently revoked. Before it was revoked, the whois for this /14 was: inetnum: 196.52.0.0 - 196.55.255.255 netname: LogicWeb-Inc descr: LogicWeb Inc. descr: 3003 Woodbridge Ave descr: Edison, NJ 08837 country: ZA remarks: ============REMARK==================== remarks: The custodianship of this IP prefix is presently remarks: in dispute. A police investigation is on-going remarks: and AFRINIC reserves the right to remarks: reclaim this IP prefix at anytime. remarks: ============REMARK=================== However, now, this /14 has been revoked by AFRINIC. Do a whois on it and you will see, it's unallocated. I believe this /14 was under control from our big friend from Israel, but I don't remember. This does not matter however. But, sadly there are about 367 ip ranges being announced from this /14 https://pastebin.com/raw/MHaW3nPe From about 71 unique ASN's This is a BOGON, unallocated space. I would appreciate if any network that is on that list and on this mailing list, would stop announcing parts of this hijacked /14. I reached out to RADB to remove all the radb entries concerning this /14, however after 72 hours they still haven't. This is not an ignored ticket, we have escalated internally with our RADb admins and they are looking into it. I will let them know that you are looking for a update and we will provide it as soon as possible. How is it possible that they can't just delete all entries? It is UNALLOCATED SPACE, it shouldn't be routed, it shouldn't have radb. https://www.radb.net/query?advanced_query=1&keywords=-M+196.52.0.0%2F14&-T+… I have also tried to post about this massive source of BOGONS on the nanog mailing list, however, they rejected my posts. Most likely because it possibly concerns "that one guy from Israel", however the nanog moderators refused to comment while continuing to reject my posts. Their self-censorship is very destructive and harmful. I hope that if this list is moderated, I will not have any trouble posting about this issue. Greetings, Ostap.

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Address Assignment Practices in IPv4 and IPv6
by Stephen D. Strowes 21 Jan '21

21 Jan '21

Hi all, We've published a study on the stability of IPv4/IPv6 assignments in domestic ISPs, and the size of the IPv6 prefixes that networks typically assign to subscribers. We look at this from two different angles: what can we measure from RIPE Atlas, and what do operators state in the RIPE Database? In particular, understanding the size of IPv6 delegated prefixes is important for applications such as host reputation & blocklists, geolocation, and research on network measurement. The RIPE Database offers the community a way to share information on their prefix delegations, and deserves some attention! Read more here: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/stephen_strowes/address-assignment-practices-… Cheers, S.

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Org-types
by Cynthia Revström 20 Jan '21

20 Jan '21

Hi DB-WG, This may have been discussed in the past but a quick search didn't yield much. Is there any reason for why ORG-NCC1-RIPE is marked as an LIR and not an RIR? Does RIR imply another RIR? I personally feel like marking the NCC as a member of itself is a bit odd, but honestly this is so minor so I understand if it was just not considered much. I noticed that there is currently only one RIR org (ORG-AFNC1-RIPE) which I assume came about as a result of the ERX process. (sidenote: ORG-AFNC1-RIPE is not referenced by anything except the role object anymore, so it might be somewhat redundant at this point) Other related info I found: Aside from the org-types of "LIR" and "OTHER" there are ~2300 orgs. There is a RIR, an IANA, and a WHITEPAGES. But the rest are "OTHER" but with differing capitalization (mainly Other and other). -Cynthia

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Creating route objects without mnt on existing ones
by Patrick Velder 16 Jan '21

16 Jan '21

Hi there It seems to be impossible to create route objects for inet(6)nums, if there are other route objects to which your maintainer has no access. Even if you have mnt-by + mnt-routes on the inet(6)nums. Due to that, it's much more difficult to create new route objects for our customers, as we have to contact the maintainer of all existing objects in order to get mnt-by/mnt-routes on their route objects. In my opinion, that makes zero sense. If you have mnt-by/mnt-routes on an inetnum, you should be able to create objects, regardless of existing ones. Best regards Patrick

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Re: [db-wg] Fwd: proposal: new attribute 'geofeed:
by hank＠interall.co.il 12 Jan '21

12 Jan '21

I guess I am not understanding something. Why do we need a geofeed attribute? What problem are we trying to solve? I understand why each block of IPs needs to be associated with a country, so that certain language specific auto-customizations will work. But what purpose is there to know that a /24 is in central Amsterdam? Is the purpose to assist marketers in geo-targetted sales? Is the purpose for network engineering (not sure what major problem we have that needs this)? Is the purpose to know where you are so that in the event of an emergency (terror, tornado, etc) you can get emergency targeted alerts? If so, then the geofeed has to be at the /32 level and since many if not most IPs are mobile, and that is where you will get the alert from - from your cellphone provider, I still don't quite understand the reason for a geofeed tag. Can someone clue me in? Thanks, Hank Caveat: The views expressed above are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer

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NWI reviews: NWI-2 displaying history for DB objects where available
by ripedenis＠yahoo.co.uk 11 Jan '21

11 Jan '21

Dear Colleagues This is another action point that has been open for 4 years. We either need to progress it or cancel it.https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2016-May/005240.html It is basically asking for full history of existing and deleted resource objects. In the link above on this NWI it mentions some doubt over the value of full history. So the main questions are, -"is full history more useful than partial history?" -"is history of deleted objects, that don't currently exist in the database, useful?"If so then I don't see any reason not to provide it. Let me give some background on this. Objects in the database are accessed by their primary key (pkey). In the case of an INETNUM object, for instance, this is an address range. Internally to the database all objects also have an object ID. Each time an object is modified a new instance of the object is created in the database with the same pkey and object ID. (Other meta data is updated to keep the sequence of changes.) When an object is deleted and re-created with the same pkey, the new object has a new object ID. Then the sequence of changes continues with this new object. When the RIPE NCC proposed to make history of objects available an arbitrary decision was made to present the history of a currently available object with all instances having the same object ID. In other words the history presented only went back as far as the creation of the current sequence of object modifications. The object may have existed before this sequence and been deleted and re-created. That part of the history is not available by the current query mechanism. But of course that history does exist in the database. It is not difficult for the software to present the full history of an object based on the pkey, no matter how many times it has been deleted and re-created. The decision to only give history back to the most recent deletion was an arbitrary, low hanging fruit, option to get a service up and running quickly. It has just stayed that way ever since. Your comments are appreciated... cheersdenis co-chair DB-WG

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proposal: new attribute 'geofeed:'
by Job Snijders 07 Jan '21

07 Jan '21

Dear DB-WG, Some colleagues are working to address the never-ending-story of 'where the heck are IPs geographically?'. This problem space has been brought up numerous times in the Database Working Group, but we never managed to solve it. As with all compsci problems adding a layer of indirection can help ;-) This current draft suggests overloading the RPSL 'remarks:' field with a structured attribute value, however I suspect we would do ourselves a disservice to overload a 'remarks:' field. Instead it would be better to add a 'geofeed:' attribute to the RPSL inetnum/inetnum6 class dictionary, which as value contains a URL with http or https scheme. The draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ymbk-opsawg-finding-geofeeds The value of the attribute could be validated using something like "org.apache.commons.validator.UrlValidator", the attribute would look like this, only valid in the inetnum/inet6num: "geofeed: [optional] [single] [ ]" Example object: inetnum: 192.0.2.0 - 192.0.2.255 netname: EXAMPLE country: NL geofeed: https://example.com/geofeed.csv ... snip ... source: RIPE What do others think? Kind regards, Job ps. In IRRd v4.2 support for the 'geofeed:' attribute will be added https://github.com/irrdnet/irrd/issues/396

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Cleanup of trailing dot in "nserver:" attributes in domain objects in the RIPE database
by Edward Shryane 07 Jan '21

07 Jan '21

Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC database team have found some syntactically incorrect "nserver:" attributes in domain objects in the RIPE database, which contain a trailing dot ('.') character (signifying a fully qualified name). The convention since 2012 has been to strip out this trailing dot in the "nserver:" attribute on update, but a cleanup of existing data was not done when the syntax changed. We now plan to remove this trailing dot from these "nserver:" attributes later today, affecting approximately 544 domain objects (out of approx. 814K total domain objects), in order to make them syntactically correct. We will notify all maintainers of affected objects regarding this change by email. This is informational only, and users do not need to take any action. Regards Ed Shryane RIPE NCC

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NWI-?? Rationalising contact references
by denis walker 22 Dec '20

22 Dec '20

Colleagues I would like to propose a new NWI about contact references in the RIPE Database. Something that has needed to be cleaned up for a very long time. I have written a draft Problem Statement and Solution Definition below. Your comments are appreciated. cheers denis co-chair DB-WG Problem Statement The RIPE Database only uses inheritance for references to abuse contacts. The admin, tech and zone contacts all use local direct references in every resource object. This has resulted in millions of unnecessary, repetitive, redundant references throughout the database. This can make the data difficult to manage and keep up to date if any referenced contact is replaced. A common problem was referencing a PERSON object in thousands of resource objects. When that person leaves the company it requires a mass data update. Adding inheritance to all contact attributes allows for a cleanup and removal of massive amounts of redundant data references. There are millions of assignments to end users with contact references pointing back to the resource holders contacts. It is confusing to have unnecessary, repeated contact references in these assignments. This would simplify the basic structure of the database. I see this simplification as a first step towards removing unnecessary personal data from the database. Solution Definition I would like to suggest adding inheritance to the other three contacts for admin, tech and zone. The only syntactical changes needed are to make "admin-c:", "tech-c:" and "zone-c:" 'optional' in INET(6)NUM, AUT-NUM and DOMAIN objects and add "zone-c:" as an optional attribute in the ORGANISATION object. At the time of implementation nothing needs to be changed. Next time an ORGANISATION object is updated it needs to have a default "admin-c:", "tech-c:" and "zone-c:" added (if it doesn't already have them) if it is a resource holders object (ie if it has an "abuse-c" attribute). Creating new resource objects, eg assignments, or receiving new allocations, won't need to have these contact attributes included if they are the same as a parent object or the default values in the ORGANISATION object. A standard query for a resource object will return the object as it is, including any optional contact attributes contained within that object. Three new query flags, '--admin', '--tech' and '--zone' added to a query for a resource object will return the correct hierarchical contacts for that resource. The RIPE NCC can provide tools for doing cleanups of resource hierarchies to remove redundant contact attributes with an option to list specific objects that should keep their local values.

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