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Re: [db-wg] DB signatures
by Job Snijders 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

Thanks Tim!

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Re: [db-wg] DB signatures
by Tim Bruijnzeels 16 Oct '17

16 Oct '17

Dear Aliaksei, working group, The split files, and all other content of the ftp site, are also available on https: https://ftp.ripe.net/ https://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/dbase/split/ They have been available here for quite a while but I realise that this was not widely announced, nor documented. I will make sure that documentation is updated. The files are generated using a snapshot of data at midnight CEST - but take over 2 hours to complete - because we have to filter out personal data. Because this is resource intense, and because there may be scripts out there running at various times in the day and expecting to retrieve the ‘midnight’ snapshot, I am not keen on increasing the frequency unless it’s clear that there is great demand for this. Dependent on your needs the NRTM service may also be a fit for you: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/nrtm-mirroring Kind regards, Tim Bruijnzeels > On 16 Oct 2017, at 11:30, Horváth Ágoston János via db-wg <db-wg(a)ripe.net> wrote: > > > From: Horváth Ágoston János <horvath.agoston(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [db-wg] DB signatures > Date: 15 October 2017 at 12:22:03 GMT+2 > To: Aliaksei Sheshka <sheshkaoss(a)gmail.com> > Cc: "db-wg(a)ripe.net >> Database WG" <db-wg(a)ripe.net> > > > The gzip format already contains checksum. > Signing is a different issue. But the first question one might ask is > why this data is still offered through FTP. Using https would also > make most of the signing requirements obsolete. > > On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Aliaksei Sheshka via db-wg > <db-wg(a)ripe.net> wrote: >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Aliaksei Sheshka <sheshkaoss(a)gmail.com> >> To: db-wg(a)ripe.net >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:01:56 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [db-wg] DB signatures >> I assume time stamps are UTC, ftp shows 10/12/17, 10:12:00 PM, now it is Fri Oct 13 22:57:17 2017 UTC >> I would say 24h+ update for such data is too much. >> Also having signatures / checksums is a standard security measure for any downloads and are very easy to implement. >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:58 PM, denis walker <ripedenis(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Aliaksei >>> >>> The files are regenerated daily. There are some checks done on the files as part of the generation process, like zero size check or size difference more than some percentage from yesterday. Perhaps the RIPE NCC can comment on the possibility of signing or checksum files? >>> >>> cheers >>> denis >>> co-chair DB WG >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Aliaksei Sheshka via db-wg <db-wg(a)ripe.net> >>> To: db-wg(a)ripe.net >>> Sent: Friday, 13 October 2017, 19:45 >>> Subject: [db-wg] DB signatures >>> >>> Hello! >>> >>> I would like to know if there is a plan to sign / checksum files located at >>> ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/dbase/split/ ? >>> Currently there is no mechanism to know if files aren't tampered or corrupted. >>> >>> My second question is how often those files are updated? >>> >>> Thanks!

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Re: [db-wg] DB signatures
by Horváth Ágoston János 15 Oct '17

15 Oct '17

The gzip format already contains checksum. Signing is a different issue. But the first question one might ask is why this data is still offered through FTP. Using https would also make most of the signing requirements obsolete. On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Aliaksei Sheshka via db-wg <db-wg(a)ripe.net> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Aliaksei Sheshka <sheshkaoss(a)gmail.com> > To: db-wg(a)ripe.net > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:01:56 -0400 > Subject: Re: [db-wg] DB signatures > I assume time stamps are UTC, ftp shows 10/12/17, 10:12:00 PM, now it is Fri Oct 13 22:57:17 2017 UTC > I would say 24h+ update for such data is too much. > Also having signatures / checksums is a standard security measure for any downloads and are very easy to implement. > > > On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:58 PM, denis walker <ripedenis(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> Hi Aliaksei >> >> The files are regenerated daily. There are some checks done on the files as part of the generation process, like zero size check or size difference more than some percentage from yesterday. Perhaps the RIPE NCC can comment on the possibility of signing or checksum files? >> >> cheers >> denis >> co-chair DB WG >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Aliaksei Sheshka via db-wg <db-wg(a)ripe.net> >> To: db-wg(a)ripe.net >> Sent: Friday, 13 October 2017, 19:45 >> Subject: [db-wg] DB signatures >> >> Hello! >> >> I would like to know if there is a plan to sign / checksum files located at >> ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/dbase/split/ ? >> Currently there is no mechanism to know if files aren't tampered or corrupted. >> >> My second question is how often those files are updated? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> > >

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violation of DB T&C by DB-WG co-chair, is it acceptable?
by Elvis Daniel Velea 14 Oct '17

14 Oct '17

Dear RIPE NCC, can you please present a report showing how many LIRs have reported RIPE DB T&C violations? How many were resolved and what was the outcome? - Specifically, how many times has the RIPE NCC taken any action other than a warning message. Dear DB-WG, should we accept that one of the chairs of this WG is purposely violating the T&Cs of the RIPE DB? Please see below one of the e-mails received from David, the RIPE DB-WG co-chair, by a RIPE NCC member named /<company>/. (I'd like to mention that /<company>/ has never had a business relationship with Larus Cloud Service Limited, has never subscribed to any mailing list and has never requested the message below - which I find to be spam as it was never solicited). regards, elvis From: Larus Team <vendors(a)laruscloudservice.net> Subject: Unused IPv4 space of /<company>/ Dear Colleagues, We are contacting you regarding potential unused IPv4 address currently registered to your organisation /<company>/. Organisations like yours have in the past received address IPv4 space, it sometimes remains unused after changes to networks. Based on the available information it appears that your organisation is currently holding IPv4 space that appears unused or underutilised. We would like to offer you the possibility to capitalise on these addresses, we can assist you in either finding organisation to permanently transfer (sell) towards, or assist you in finding and forging long term relationships with some of our clients by leasing the unused space to them, generating a long-term income. We are a company based in Hong Kong, our CEO Heng Lu, has over ten years’ experience in managing Internet resources across the globe. Our IP manager David Hilario previously worked for the RIPE NCC one of the five RIR and as such has an intricate knowledge of the policies in the RIR policies especially when it comes to transfers and leasing the address space. We have clients lined up waiting for permanent transfers or long-term lease, so we can fulfil any of your requirements. We offer clients with available IP space a 3 months exclusivity contract. based on your requirements, we will match our waiting list clients with your criteria so that your IP space can be capitalise as soon as possible at the best possible rate. Please note that if you are leasing out your address space, we will offer it on a minimum of yearly basis with advance payment from our clients. Please find attached to this email our NDA to be filled in from your side and returned to us before we can proceed any further in our cooperation in regard to these transfers or long-term lease. We can lease and sell IP space to and from ARIN (North America) APNIC (Asia Pacific) and RIPE NCC (Europe, Middle East and parts of Central Asia). Kind Regards, David Hilario IP Manager Larus Cloud Service Limited p: +852 29888918 m: +359 89 764 1784 f: +852 29888068 a: Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen Wan, HKSAR w: laruscloudservice.net e: d.hilario(a)outsideheaven.com Larus Team www.laruscloudservice.net <http://sctrack.mail.laruscloudservice.net/track/click/eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjogNDE4M…>

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Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?
by Sascha Luck [ml] 14 Oct '17

14 Oct '17

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 02:46:54PM +0100, Nick Hilliard via db-wg wrote: >Job Snijders wrote: >> I think this touches upon an incredibly important question: how do we >> distinguish between garbage and properly authenticated "route:" >> objects covering RIPE-managed space? > >and more to the point: are there good reasons and community support for >continuing not to distinguish between the two. Well, distinguishing in the irrdb is one thing, but how would you distinguish between them in RealLife(tm)? It's not like you can not route/accept a cross-RIR route: object (at least not without Breaking The Internet) Also, what would the distinguisher be for eg. a route: with prefix from RIPE and ASN from ARIN? RIPE-PARTIALLY-AUTHENTICATED? cheers, Sascha Luck

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Re: Geoloc Object
by Erik Bais - A2B Internet 14 Oct '17

14 Oct '17

Hi Milad, If you can share the range (can be off-list if you prever) and the desired geo loc. I’ll be more than happy to assist. We fix these kind of things for customers a lot .. Regards, Erik Bais Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 14 okt. 2017 om 11:02 heeft Milad Afshar <afshar.milad89(a)gmail.com> het volgende geschreven: > > Hi Folks, > I hope this email finds you well. > I have problem on some of my IP ranges location showing in RIPEstat,I would like to know that does the "geoloc" object in RIPE Database help the geolocation database providers(Maxmind and etc.) to find the correct location of IP Ranges? > Many thanks. > Milad Afshari >

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Geoloc Object
by Milad Afshar 14 Oct '17

14 Oct '17

Hi Folks, I hope this email finds you well. I have problem on some of my IP ranges location showing in RIPEstat,I would like to know that does the "geoloc" object in RIPE Database help the geolocation database providers(Maxmind and etc.) to find the correct location of IP Ranges? Many thanks. Milad Afshari

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Re: [db-wg] DB signatures
by denis walker 14 Oct '17

14 Oct '17

Hi Aliaksei The files are regenerated daily. There are some checks done on the files as part of the generation process, like zero size check or size difference more than some percentage from yesterday. Perhaps the RIPE NCC can comment on the possibility of signing or checksum files? cheersdenisco-chair DB WG From: Aliaksei Sheshka via db-wg <db-wg(a)ripe.net> To: db-wg(a)ripe.net Sent: Friday, 13 October 2017, 19:45 Subject: [db-wg] DB signatures Hello! I would like to know if there is a plan to sign / checksum files located at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/dbase/split/ ? Currently there is no mechanism to know if files aren't tampered or corrupted. My second question is how often those files are updated? Thanks!

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DB signatures
by Aliaksei Sheshka 13 Oct '17

13 Oct '17

Hello! I would like to know if there is a plan to sign / checksum files located at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/dbase/split/ ? Currently there is no mechanism to know if files aren't tampered or corrupted. My second question is how often those files are updated? Thanks!

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Fw: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision?
by denis walker 13 Oct '17

13 Oct '17

Second attempt to get through the mailing system.... ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: denis walker <ripedenis(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: Sascha Luck [ml] <dbwg(a)c4inet.net> Cc: Database WG <db-wg(a)ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2017, 19:40 Subject: Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision? Hi Sascha, all I see this as a real possibility for the longer term. But realistically it is not going to help with the situation in the near future. I see some think that RADB is already a 'central DB' whereas others in this thread have said they would not use RADB (don't know it that is for technical, political or reliability issues). Just to throw a wild idea into the pot on this. If we were to look into the possibility of a centralised database, at least for the three RIRs who use a common database root RIPE, APNIC, Afrinic, then to me it makes sense to have a common, public database for operational data not only for routing information but also for number resource information. Then such a common database could do proper authentication. Almost certainly the personal data referenced by the operational data would need to remain in separate regional databases for privacy and data protection reasons. From the point of view of managing globally unique resources it makes perfect sense. But I suspect there would be lots of opposition to such a suggestion for political and self preservation reasons from many directions. Bearing in mind that any such suggestion would takes years from an idea to reality, I don't think we should get too bogged down in discussing this as part of this thread. However, several people have mentioned the idea of proper management of global resources. So perhaps if someone feels the desire to raise the issue in Dubai and formally call for the start of a serious investigation process that could lead to a common operational database, then the ball will at least start rolling.... cheersdenisco-chair DB WG From: Sascha Luck [ml] via db-wg <db-wg(a)ripe.net> To: denis walker <ripedenis(a)yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Database WG <db-wg(a)ripe.net> Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2017, 16:21 Subject: Re: [db-wg] Foreign ROUTE objects in RIPE Database - final decision? On Mon, Oct 09, 2017 at 02:49:39PM +0100, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > Question - Should the RIPE Database allow creation of ROUTE objects for non RIPE resources? Is an option D: create a central IRRDB with authentication hooks into all RIRs completely out of the question? It certainly sounds like the technologically most elegant answer. Modulo legacy resources, no unauthenticated irrdb objects should then have to exist. The trust root could be shared between the RIRs as is seemingly done with RPKI these days... cheers, Sascha Luck

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