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Cosmetic changes to the RIPE Database
by denis walker 19 Sep '21

19 Sep '21

Colleagues There have been a number of cosmetic changes to the RIPE Database in recent months. There is no agreed procedure for making these type of changes. In particular the extent to which the community is informed. Examples of the type of changes we are talking about are: 1/ When the ORGANISATION object addresses were synced with the internal registry the address lines were entered in the wrong order. The RIPE NCC did a cosmetic update to reverse the order of the address lines. It had no operational impact at all. 2/ Capitalisation of status values. Again this had no operational impact at all. We would like some feedback from the community about how you want these type of cosmetic changes announced. We see four possible options: 1/ individual notification in advance to all affected maintainers plus general announcement on the mailing list plus update notifications (full disclosure) 2/ general announcement on the mailing list plus update notifications 3/ general announcement on mailing list and silent update (no notifications) 4/ no announcement, no notifications, just do it without disturbing anyone (totally silent) Some points to note: -In all cases the object history will show the changes. -There is also an option to not change the "last-modified:" attribute if you don't want that to reflect cosmetic changes. -The full disclosure option (1) can sometimes lead to considerable extra work load for the RIPE NCC. If people are individually told in advance of a change they don't always realise it has no operational impact and ask questions. Every question opens a ticket that needs to be manually addressed. -Perhaps options 2 or 3 are the most practical? Your feedback is welcomed... cheers denis co-chair DB-WG

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running in whios-circles...?
by Frank Habicht 18 Sep '21

18 Sep '21

Hi, so on my self-hosted MTA I got an email [unsure about good intentions, thus checking origin] from 82.156.114.62 Whois directed to ripe, ripe said it's iana, iana said it's ripe [ BGP said ..... 4134 23724 45090 ] and ..... there's a route object in APNIC: route: 82.156.0.0/15 origin: AS45090 descr: Tencent Cloud Computing (Beijing) Co., Ltd 309 West Zone, 3F. 49 Zhichun Road. Haidian District. mnt-by: MAINT-TENCENT-CN last-modified: 2020-02-24T07:34:42Z source: APNIC and also "inetnum: 82.156.0.0 - 82.157.255.255" (in APNIC) So, I tend to believe that I'm on the wrong list here, because my question turns out to be: can I trust whois.iana.org ? It seems to tell me something different from what APNIC is saying. PS: a prefix containing IP in question is not seen in https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-recovered-address-space/ipv4-recovere… am i right to be confused by the iana answer? who should get 'encouraged' to change something? Thanks, Frank [frank@fisi ~]$ whoisiana 82.156.114.62 [Querying whois.iana.org] [whois.iana.org] % IANA WHOIS server % for more information on IANA, visit http://www.iana.org % This query returned 1 object refer: whois.ripe.net inetnum: 82.0.0.0 - 82.255.255.255 organisation: RIPE NCC status: ALLOCATED whois: whois.ripe.net changed: 2002-11 source: IANA [frank@fisi ~]$ whois 82.156.114.62 [Querying whois.ripe.net] [whois.ripe.net] % This is the RIPE Database query service. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions. % See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf % Note: this output has been filtered. % To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag. % Information related to '82.156.0.0 - 82.157.255.255' % No abuse contact registered for 82.156.0.0 - 82.157.255.255 inetnum: 82.156.0.0 - 82.157.255.255 netname: NON-RIPE-NCC-MANAGED-ADDRESS-BLOCK descr: IPv4 address block not managed by the RIPE NCC remarks: ------------------------------------------------------ remarks: remarks: For registration information, remarks: you can consult the following sources: remarks: remarks: IANA remarks: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space remarks: http://www.iana.org/assignments/iana-ipv4-special-registry remarks: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-recovered-address-space remarks: remarks: AFRINIC (Africa) remarks: http://www.afrinic.net/ whois.afrinic.net remarks: remarks: APNIC (Asia Pacific) remarks: http://www.apnic.net/ whois.apnic.net remarks: remarks: ARIN (Northern America) remarks: http://www.arin.net/ whois.arin.net remarks: remarks: LACNIC (Latin America and the Carribean) remarks: http://www.lacnic.net/ whois.lacnic.net remarks: remarks: ------------------------------------------------------ country: EU # Country is really world wide admin-c: IANA1-RIPE tech-c: IANA1-RIPE status: ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-MNT created: 2019-01-07T10:49:20Z last-modified: 2019-01-07T10:49:20Z source: RIPE role: Internet Assigned Numbers Authority address: see http://www.iana.org. admin-c: IANA1-RIPE tech-c: IANA1-RIPE nic-hdl: IANA1-RIPE remarks: For more information on IANA services remarks: go to IANA web site at http://www.iana.org. mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-MNT created: 1970-01-01T00:00:00Z last-modified: 2001-09-22T09:31:27Z source: RIPE # Filtered % This query was served by the RIPE Database Query Service version 1.101 (ANGUS) [frank@fisi ~]$

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Re: [db-wg] running in whios-circles...?
by Lutz Donnerhacke 16 Sep '21

16 Sep '21

* Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Gert Doering <gert(a)space.net> wrote: > >Ideally, IANA should point to the final RIR right away. > > That would certainly be more helpful than the present state of affairs, > within which the IANA WHOIS server is not merely failing to give out > correct referrals, but is actually giving out demonstratably incorrect > referrals. > > Functionally and operationally, the portion of the IANA WHOIS service that > provides referrals for IP addresses is, at present, worse than useless > due to the innumerable incorrect referrals it provides. If IANA does not > wish to correct that, then they should at least configure the thing so that > it will stop providing *any* responses at all when queried about IP > addresses. Did you ever tried to correct wrong entries in the IANA whois? I did and the entries were fixed (within a period of about a year). It's certainly possible to have correct data in the IANA server. OTOH if the problem is serious enough, an IANA review can be triggered.

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What do you think of our new UI?
by Edward Shryane 02 Sep '21

02 Sep '21

Dear colleagues, We have created a short survey to get your feedback and comments on the new user interface (UI) we have deployed across RIPE NCC’s services, including the RIPE DB website. We kindly ask you to take part in the survey and help us improve the user experience for you. You can access the survey at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RIPENCCservicesUI The survey is anonymous and will remain open until 30 September 2021. Regards Ed Shryane RIPE NCC

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"status:" attribute values in the RIPE database
by Edward Shryane 30 Aug '21

30 Aug '21

Dear colleagues, In Remco van Mook's presentation to the Address Policy WG at RIPE 82: "What Colour Is My IP(v4) space? PI Addresses and LIRs", he pointed out that resource "status:" attribute values may not always be all UPPERCASE. This is because the RIPE database is case-insensitive and case preserving in general, meaning a "status:" attribute value is the same regardless of the case. However, this may make parsing this value more difficult as the case should be ignored. Should the DB team implement a rule to always force the "status:" attribute value to uppercase, for consistency? Regards Ed Shryane RIPE NCC

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Bogon Route object update
by Ronald F. Guilmette 26 Aug '21

26 Aug '21

NONAUTH / IPv4: 41.217.128.0/19 37034 2018-09-04 41.217.144.0/20 37034 2018-09-04 41.217.144.0/21 37034 2018-09-04 41.242.128.0/22 327933 2018-09-04 41.242.129.0/24 327933 2018-09-04 41.242.131.0/24 327933 2018-09-04 107.168.204.0/24 47447 2018-09-04 192.31.196.0/24 112 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 1101 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 12816 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 12871 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 15598 2021-02-25 192.88.99.0/24 1741 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 1835 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 20640 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 21416 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 25192 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 25308 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 2847 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 29076 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 29259 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 29432 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 29632 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 3243 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 3344 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 35244 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 39326 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 43097 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 50113 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 5408 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 5413 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 680 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 8473 2018-09-04 192.88.99.0/24 8903 2020-11-18 NONAUTH / IPv6: 2001::/32 1101 2018-09-04 2001::/32 12816 2018-09-04 2001::/32 12871 2018-09-04 2001::/32 1741 2018-09-04 2001::/32 21155 2018-09-04 2001::/32 25192 2018-09-04 2001::/32 25308 2018-09-04 2001::/32 25525 2018-09-04 2001::/32 29259 2018-09-04 2001::/32 29432 2018-09-04 2001::/32 44980 2018-09-04 2001::/32 57801 2018-09-04 2001:4:112::/48 112 2018-09-04 2002::/16 1101 2018-09-04 2002::/16 12871 2018-09-04 2002::/16 15598 2021-02-23 2002::/16 1741 2018-09-04 2002::/16 1835 2018-09-04 2002::/16 20640 2018-09-04 2002::/16 21416 2018-09-04 2002::/16 25192 2018-09-04 2002::/16 25308 2018-09-04 2002::/16 2847 2018-09-04 2002::/16 29259 2018-09-04 2002::/16 29432 2018-09-04 2002::/16 29632 2018-09-04 2002::/16 3344 2018-09-04 2002::/16 35244 2018-09-04 2002::/16 39326 2018-09-04 2002::/16 43097 2018-09-04 2002::/16 5413 2018-09-04 2002::/16 559 2018-09-04 2002::/16 680 2018-09-04 2002::/16 8473 2018-09-04 2002::/16 8903 2018-09-04 2011:4188::/48 12880 2018-09-04

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Historical queries
by denis walker 20 Aug '21

20 Aug '21

Colleagues At RIPE 82 during the NWI review, the chairs recommended two changes to the way historical queries for operational data work: 1/ Drop arbitrary restriction of most recent deletion point of re-created objects 2/ Allow access to history of deleted objects that have not been re-created These recommendations are based on positive comments made by the community in recent years. The restrictions were arbitrary at the time historical queries were implemented in the absence of any hard requirements. So if no one objects the chairs will ask the RIPE NCC to do an impact analysis on these changes. cheers denis co-chair DB-WG

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Corrected LIR Organisation "address:" Attribute Values
by Edward Shryane 18 Aug '21

18 Aug '21

Dear Colleagues, Today, Wednesday 18th August, the RIPE NCC updated the "address:" attributes on 1,141 LIR organisation objects. A bug was introduced in a synchronisation script that copied LIR contact details from an internal registry to the RIPE database, which caused the "address:" attributes to be reversed. This bug is fixed, and we have now corrected the affected organisation objects. The maintainers of these organisation objects were notified by email. If you have any questions, please let me know. Regards Ed Shryane RIPE NCC

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Smallest IPv4 allocation size (in the RIPE region)?
by Ronald F. Guilmette 18 Aug '21

18 Aug '21

As I understand it, IPv4 route announcement smaller than a /24 do not propagate very well, if at all. I have thus been surprised to see the following blocks listed separately as "allocated" in the daily "stats" file for RIPE. Can anyone explain to me why these small IPv4 blocks are listed in there separately? (Note: I have found no such small blocks in the daily stats files for any of the other four Regional Internet Registries... only RIPE seems to have such things.) 91.227.79.0/25 ripe 91.227.79.128/25 ripe 156.67.6.0/29 ripe 156.67.6.8/29 ripe 156.67.6.16/29 ripe 156.67.6.24/29 ripe 156.67.6.32/29 ripe 156.67.6.40/29 ripe 156.67.6.48/28 ripe 156.67.6.64/26 ripe 156.67.6.128/25 ripe 185.30.232.0/26 ripe 185.30.232.64/26 ripe 185.30.232.128/25 ripe 193.34.192.0/25 ripe 193.34.192.128/25 ripe 193.34.193.0/25 ripe 193.34.195.0/25 ripe 193.34.195.128/25 ripe 193.34.196.0/25 ripe 193.34.197.0/25 ripe 193.34.197.128/25 ripe 193.34.198.0/25 ripe 193.34.198.128/25 ripe 193.34.199.0/25 ripe 193.34.200.0/25 ripe 193.34.200.128/25 ripe 193.34.203.0/25 ripe 193.34.203.128/25 ripe 193.43.0.0/26 ripe 193.43.0.64/27 ripe 193.43.0.96/27 ripe 193.43.0.128/25 ripe 193.58.0.0/27 ripe 193.58.0.32/28 ripe 193.58.0.56/29 ripe 193.58.0.64/26 ripe 193.58.0.128/25 ripe 193.164.232.0/26 ripe 193.164.232.64/27 ripe 193.164.232.160/27 ripe 193.164.232.192/27 ripe 193.188.134.0/26 ripe 193.188.134.64/27 ripe 193.188.134.96/28 ripe 193.188.134.112/29 ripe 193.188.134.120/29 ripe 193.188.134.128/29 ripe 193.188.134.144/28 ripe 193.188.134.160/29 ripe 193.188.134.168/29 ripe 193.188.134.176/28 ripe 193.188.134.192/29 ripe 193.192.12.128/25 ripe 193.201.144.0/25 ripe 193.201.144.128/25 ripe 193.201.145.0/25 ripe 193.201.146.0/25 ripe 193.201.146.128/25 ripe 193.201.147.0/26 ripe 193.201.147.64/27 ripe 193.201.147.96/27 ripe 193.201.147.128/27 ripe 193.201.147.160/27 ripe 193.201.147.224/27 ripe 193.201.148.0/26 ripe 193.201.148.64/26 ripe 193.201.148.192/26 ripe 193.201.149.64/26 ripe 193.201.149.192/26 ripe 193.201.150.0/26 ripe 193.201.150.64/26 ripe 193.201.150.128/26 ripe 193.201.151.0/26 ripe 193.201.151.192/26 ripe 193.201.152.0/25 ripe 193.201.152.128/25 ripe 193.201.154.0/25 ripe 193.201.154.128/25 ripe 193.201.155.128/25 ripe 193.201.156.0/25 ripe 193.201.156.128/25 ripe 193.201.157.0/25 ripe 193.201.159.128/25 ripe 193.218.205.0/26 ripe 193.218.205.64/26 ripe 193.218.205.128/26 ripe 193.218.205.192/27 ripe 193.218.207.0/28 ripe 193.218.207.16/28 ripe 193.218.207.32/27 ripe 193.218.207.80/28 ripe 193.218.207.96/27 ripe 193.218.207.128/25 ripe 193.243.183.64/26 ripe 193.243.183.192/26 ripe 193.254.23.0/25 ripe 193.254.23.128/25 ripe 194.42.47.128/25 ripe 194.42.55.0/27 ripe 194.42.55.32/27 ripe 194.42.55.64/26 ripe 194.42.55.128/27 ripe 194.42.55.160/27 ripe 194.42.55.192/27 ripe 194.42.55.224/27 ripe 194.55.1.0/25 ripe 194.55.1.128/25 ripe 194.93.123.128/25 ripe 194.117.50.128/25 ripe 194.117.52.0/25 ripe 194.117.53.128/25 ripe 194.117.54.0/25 ripe 194.117.54.128/25 ripe 194.117.55.128/25 ripe 194.153.152.0/25 ripe 194.153.152.128/25 ripe 194.153.153.128/25 ripe 194.153.154.0/25 ripe 194.153.154.128/25 ripe 194.153.156.0/26 ripe 194.153.156.64/26 ripe 194.153.156.128/25 ripe 194.153.157.128/27 ripe 194.153.157.160/27 ripe 194.153.157.192/26 ripe 194.153.158.128/25 ripe 194.153.159.0/26 ripe 194.153.159.64/26 ripe 194.153.215.0/25 ripe 194.153.215.128/25 ripe 194.180.159.240/28 ripe 194.180.226.152/29 ripe 194.246.39.96/27 ripe 194.246.39.128/26 ripe 194.246.39.224/27 ripe 195.13.37.0/25 ripe 195.13.46.0/25 ripe 195.13.46.128/25 ripe 195.35.104.32/27 ripe 195.35.104.64/26 ripe 195.35.104.128/25 ripe 195.60.80.96/27 ripe 195.60.80.128/27 ripe 195.60.80.160/27 ripe 195.60.80.192/27 ripe 195.60.80.224/27 ripe 195.60.81.0/26 ripe 195.60.81.64/26 ripe 195.60.81.192/26 ripe 195.60.82.0/26 ripe 195.60.82.64/26 ripe 195.60.82.128/26 ripe 195.60.82.192/26 ripe 195.60.83.0/27 ripe 195.60.83.64/27 ripe 195.60.83.96/27 ripe 195.60.83.160/27 ripe 195.60.83.192/27 ripe 195.60.83.224/27 ripe 195.60.84.0/25 ripe 195.60.85.0/25 ripe 195.60.87.0/25 ripe 195.60.87.128/25 ripe 195.60.89.0/25 ripe 195.60.89.128/25 ripe 195.60.90.0/25 ripe 195.60.90.128/25 ripe 195.60.91.0/25 ripe 195.60.92.0/26 ripe 195.60.92.64/26 ripe 195.60.92.128/26 ripe 195.60.93.0/26 ripe 195.60.93.128/26 ripe 195.60.93.192/26 ripe 195.60.95.0/25 ripe 195.60.95.128/25 ripe

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Update: Bogon Route objects (part 2)
by Ronald F. Guilmette 06 Aug '21

06 Aug '21

There remain a number of route objects in the AUTH data base that refer to bogon AS numbers. I would like to suggest that at the very least these should be moved to NONAUTH, but preferably deleted altogether. Use of bogon AS numbers should neither be condoned nor assisted by any RIR. I mean what is the point of having RIRs if people are just going to use whatever numbers they want, willy nilly, and without formal assignments? Also, the overwhelming majority of these route objects do not correspond to active route announcements anyway, and thus deleting them would provably have -no- operational significance. Examples: https://bgp.he.net/AS198738 https://bgp.he.net/AS8295 https://bgp.he.net/AS36879 https://bgp.he.net/AS31419 https://bgp.he.net/AS46723 ... AUTH / IPv4 (80): ----------------- 5.1.112.0/24 198738 2012-05-16 5.1.113.0/24 198738 2012-05-16 5.160.196.0/24 62280 2014-05-10 5.160.197.0/24 62280 2014-05-10 5.160.240.0/24 62280 2014-11-02 5.160.241.0/24 62280 2014-11-02 45.8.92.0/24 397796 2020-06-11 45.8.92.0/24 46723 2020-06-11 45.8.93.0/24 46723 2020-05-26 45.8.94.0/24 397796 2020-05-26 45.8.94.0/24 46723 2020-05-26 45.8.95.0/24 397796 2020-05-26 45.8.95.0/24 46723 2020-05-26 45.14.212.0/22 2209013 2019-05-09 45.95.0.0/24 46723 2020-06-11 45.95.1.0/24 46723 2020-06-11 45.95.2.0/24 46723 2020-06-11 45.95.3.0/24 46723 2020-05-30 77.246.74.0/24 37631 2015-05-29 81.52.165.0/24 36879 2013-10-01 81.52.166.0/24 36879 2013-10-02 81.52.167.0/24 36879 2013-10-02 81.52.168.0/24 36879 2013-10-02 81.52.169.0/24 36879 2013-10-02 82.98.78.0/24 394935 2016-10-26 83.136.64.0/21 8871 2020-12-29 83.216.160.0/19 31419 2011-01-03 83.216.160.0/20 31419 2011-01-03 83.216.160.0/21 31419 2011-01-03 83.216.168.0/21 31419 2011-01-03 83.216.176.0/20 31419 2011-01-03 83.216.176.0/21 31419 2011-01-03 83.216.184.0/21 31419 2011-01-03 86.110.128.0/19 31419 2011-01-03 86.110.128.0/20 31419 2011-01-03 86.110.128.0/21 31419 2011-01-03 86.110.136.0/21 31419 2011-01-03 86.110.144.0/20 31419 2011-01-03 86.110.144.0/21 31419 2011-01-03 86.110.152.0/21 31419 2011-01-03 91.102.168.0/21 8295 2006-11-17 91.102.168.0/24 8295 2020-02-25 91.102.169.0/24 8295 2020-02-25 91.102.170.0/24 8295 2020-02-25 91.102.171.0/24 8295 2020-02-25 91.102.172.0/24 8295 2020-02-25 91.102.173.0/24 8295 2020-02-25 91.102.174.0/24 8295 2020-02-25 91.102.175.0/24 8295 2020-02-25 91.107.84.0/24 202532 2019-07-08 91.220.83.0/24 46414 2010-10-28 93.92.104.0/22 1975505 2018-12-12 141.98.12.0/24 208469 2020-03-25 158.255.59.0/24 203655 2015-11-27 185.18.88.0/23 196803 2019-09-18 185.48.220.0/22 199724 2014-03-05 185.62.220.0/22 1975505 2018-12-12 185.62.221.0/24 1975505 2018-12-12 185.106.44.0/24 200968 2015-06-29 185.148.136.0/22 198738 2019-07-08 185.148.138.0/23 198738 2016-09-12 185.164.160.0/22 14076 2016-11-02 185.194.4.0/22 205740 2020-04-05 185.200.32.0/22 33431 2017-06-13 185.225.136.0/22 33431 2017-10-13 185.244.144.0/22 204634 2018-02-02 185.250.112.0/22 20180320 2019-07-25 188.92.121.0/24 40178 2020-04-01 193.33.110.0/23 42796 2012-06-28 193.110.94.0/24 16712 2021-03-18 193.135.119.0/24 46723 2020-05-30 193.201.204.0/24 14880 2007-11-23 193.201.205.0/24 14880 2007-11-23 194.99.204.0/22 36895 2006-05-04 194.165.87.0/24 21389 2012-12-10 194.201.253.0/24 25568 2014-04-08 212.68.170.0/23 20873 2013-12-20 213.156.70.0/24 20873 2005-09-06 213.156.71.0/24 20873 2005-09-06 213.228.244.0/24 31453 2005-01-04 AUTH / IPv6 (19): ----------------- 2001:678:d44:100::/64 999998 2021-02-13 2001:678:d44:200::/64 999999 2021-02-13 2a00:9700:1::/48 47497 2017-01-14 2a00:e640::/32 198738 2012-04-26 2a01:9ba0::/32 199724 2014-03-05 2a03:1960::/32 201400 2017-07-24 2a03:9c00:f::/48 210323 2019-12-18 2a03:b600::/29 46723 2019-03-14 2a07:7e40:1::/48 34676 2020-07-28 2a09:be40:3620::/48 208577 2019-08-15 2a09:f700::/29 46723 2019-03-06 2a0a:7740::/48 46076 2020-10-30 2a0b:1040::/29 31005 2017-06-04 2a0b:3e00::/32 14076 2016-11-02 2a0b:4340:a0:3ec::/64 139734 2020-03-18 2a0d:1a40:faf::/48 138987 2020-06-13 2a0e:aa07:f030::/44 132352 2019-04-26 2a0e:b107:680::/48 140540 2020-04-02 2a10:cc46:100::/44 655312 2021-06-03

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