March 2004 - db-wg - mailman.ripe.net

RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by TAYON, Julien 11 Mar '04

11 Mar '04

Titley, Nigel <mailto:NTitley@flagtelecom.com> wrote: > Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: >> I'd suggest the descr: field to be in the poetic form itself. > >> >> Looking at the VERSE-SONNET we may have a problem. There are several >> subclasses that people may wish to use. The Italian Sonnet, The >> English Sonnet and more modern varieties. How do we indicate >> possible sub-classes in the object? >> >> poetic-form: VERSE-SONNET >> variety: ENGLISH >> descr: (Somebody needs to write an English Sonnet) I would propose to Keep It Simple Poetic form: MAJOR-[MINOR][-SUBMINOR][-...] Example : poetic-form: VERSE-SONNET-ITALIAN poetic-form: VERSE-SONNET-ENGLISH ex : Venitian variety of Italian Sonnet could be : >> poetic-form: VERSE-SONNET-ITALIAN-VENITIAN This way we can extend as much as we want the poetic form. This is based on the assumption that Poetric form are homothetic to a tree structure. Which cannot be proven according to Goedel's theorem however I would say it is sufficiently close to reality for me. We will let the work of demonstrating the tree like structure of poetic form to the mathematicians if you don't mind. Regards, -- julien.tayon(a)neuf.com +33 (0)1 70 18 14 45 Gestion des adresses IPs, BU Data n9uf telecom 40 - 42 Quai du Point du Jour 92659 Boulogne Billancourt

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 11 Mar '04

11 Mar '04

Olaf M. Kolkman wrote: > I'd suggest the descr: field to be in the poetic form itself. > > > poetic-form: VERSE-LIMERICK > desr: The object consists of a verse > in a format that is far from terse > a-a-b-b-a scheme > around a humorous theme > and is sometimes extremely perverse > > admin-c: LIM1-RIPE > tech-c: LIM1-RIPE > mnt-by: RIPE-DBM-MNT > changed: ripe-dbm(a)ripe.net 20040401 > source: RIPE > > poetic-form: VERSE-HAIKU > descr: The haiku object > only seven syllables > in its density > admin-c: HIKU1-RIPE > tech-c: HIKU1-RIPE > mnt-by: RIPE-DBM-MNT > changed: ripe-dbm(a)ripe.net 20040401 > source: RIPE > > > Looking at the VERSE-SONNET we may have a problem. There are several > subclasses that people may wish to use. The Italian Sonnet, The > English Sonnet and more modern varieties. How do we indicate possible > sub-classes in the object? > > poetic-form: VERSE-SONNET > variety: ENGLISH > descr: (Somebody needs to write an English Sonnet) I'm happy to take an action to write an English Sonnet > poetic-form: VERSE-SONNET > variety: ITALIAN > descr: (Somebody needs to write an Italian Sonnet) -- Nigel Titley Peering Coordinator, FLAG Telecom +44 20 7478 9579 ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by TAYON, Julien 11 Mar '04

11 Mar '04

Olaf M. Kolkman <mailto:olaf@ripe.net> wrote: > I'd suggest the descr: field to be in the poetic form itself. > > > poetic-form: VERSE-LIMERICK > desr: The object consists of a verse > in a format that is far from terse > a-a-b-b-a scheme > around a humorous theme > and is sometimes extremely perverse > > admin-c: LIM1-RIPE > tech-c: LIM1-RIPE > mnt-by: RIPE-DBM-MNT > changed: ripe-dbm(a)ripe.net 20040401 > source: RIPE > > poetic-form: VERSE-HAIKU > descr: The haiku object > only seven syllables > in its density > admin-c: HIKU1-RIPE > tech-c: HIKU1-RIPE > mnt-by: RIPE-DBM-MNT > changed: ripe-dbm(a)ripe.net 20040401 > source: RIPE > poetic-form: PROSE descr: Don't let the structure tie your tongue ; if you hate the masochism of verses, remember that you can feel free to use prose, and feel free because you are. admin-c: LIM1-RIPE tech-c: LIM1-RIPE mnt-by: RIPE-DBM-MNT changed: ripe-dbm(a)ripe.net 20040401 source: RIPE

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 11 Mar '04

11 Mar '04

Robert S. Plaul wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Titley, Nigel wrote: > >> All poems are limericks, true. >> There are no need for objects haiku >> This thread is amusing >> It set us all musing >> But we plainly have little to do >> >> Nigel > > The RIPE Database > Guardian of the limericks > Now needs the haiku > > The haiku object - > Greater flexibility > The virtue is clear Does the RIPE NCC have a view On provision of objects haiku? Are you bored and depressed And in need of a rest? Is this just too much extra to do? Nigel -- Nigel Titley Peering Coordinator, FLAG Telecom +44 20 7478 9579 ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by TAYON, Julien 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

Titley, Nigel <mailto:NTitley@flagtelecom.com> wrote: > And I, as usual, having sent the email, and gone off to make a cup of > tea, realised that there was a humorous interpretation of your > reply..... > Pssst RTFM (RFC 1855) Regarding Mailing lists it is written : - Remember that the recipient is a human being whose culture, language, and humor have different points of reference from your own. Remember that date formats, measurements, and idioms may not travel well. Be especially careful with sarcasm. Therefore remember to be deadly serious. PS is it possible to have a web page with all limmericks from the RIPE whois DB ? PPS march the 31st +-1 day is a good day for a RFC :) Jul

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by TAYON, Julien 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

>> All poems are limericks, true. >> There are no need for objects haiku >> This thread is amusing >> It set us all musing >> But we plainly have little to do >> >> Nigel > > The RIPE Database > Guardian of the limericks > Now needs the haiku > > The haiku object - > Greater flexibility > The virtue is clear > > Robert Without Haiku, I pity that all verses are lame. Still, this thread is fun for a flame, misunderstanding is to blame it is all the same ... with poems Julien

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

Robert S. Plaul wrote: > On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> I can only say that I find it extremely unsporty that have not made >> the case for this new database object in haiku form then... > > That's because I first tried it in limerick form. These tries were so > exhausting (because of the restrictions of the limerick I described > before), that I did't even had the nerves to write haikus... Well, being a fan of the limerick form, as my previous posting has made clear, I present my argument in limerick form ;-) All poems are limericks, true. There are no need for objects haiku This thread is amusing It set us all musing But we plainly have little to do Nigel -- Nigel Titley Peering Coordinator, FLAG Telecom +44 20 7478 9579 ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 09 Mar '04

09 Mar '04

Now I can certainly agree that March 31st + 1 would be a good day for an RFC As regards the web page, suggest you ask Bert's secretary. Titley, Nigel < mailto:NTitley@flagtelecom.com <mailto:NTitley@flagtelecom.com> > wrote: > And I, as usual, having sent the email, and gone off to make a cup of > tea, realised that there was a humorous interpretation of your > reply..... > Pssst RTFM (RFC 1855) Regarding Mailing lists it is written : - Remember that the recipient is a human being whose culture, language, and humor have different points of reference from your own. Remember that date formats, measurements, and idioms may not travel well. Be especially careful with sarcasm. Therefore remember to be deadly serious. PS is it possible to have a web page with all limmericks from the RIPE whois DB ? PPS march the 31st +-1 day is a good day for a RFC :) Jul ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 08 Mar '04

08 Mar '04

And I, as usual, having sent the email, and gone off to make a cup of tea, realised that there was a humorous interpretation of your reply..... Nigel -- Nigel Titley Peering Coordinator, FLAG Telecom +44 20 7478 9579 -----Original Message----- From: Robert S. Plaul [mailto:robert@plaul.de] Sent: 08 March 2004 15:49 To: db-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Titley, Nigel wrote: > Anyone with even a meagre grasp of English should have been able to realise > that my response was intended humorously..... sigh.... no matter Sure. I possibly forgot to put some smilies in my answer. :) Robert > Nigel -- RSP-RIPE ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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RE: [db-wg] proposal: haiku object
by Titley, Nigel 08 Mar '04

08 Mar '04

Robert S. Plaul wrote: > On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Titley, Nigel wrote: > >> Whilst agreeing that the limerick is possibly restricted in its >> metrical form, I cannot agree with the statement that it is >> restricted to humorous subjects, and hence at least one of the >> objections to its general use is fallacious. > > $ whois -v limerick > [...] > The limerick class: > > The limerick object represents a humorous poem that has five > lines and the rhyme scheme "aabba". > [...] > text > > Text of the limerick. Must be humorous, but not malicious or > insulting. > [...] > > Although IMHO the limerick _is_ considered a humorous poem in > literature, the limerick object is not. > >> My solution to the lack of alternative metrical objects would simply >> be to redefine all poetry as limericks. > > I think, this is a poor solution. Haikus (and Sonnets, etc. > respectively) are no limericks and never will be. Do you want the > whole world to laugh about the RIPE NCC for not knowing what a > limerick is? > >> Also it has the merit of offering increased >> employment opportunities for poets, who would see their services >> called upon to rewrite all existing poetry in the limerick form. > > Sometimes. Maybe. But not every haiku can be rewritten into a > limerick. Sometimes a haiku can say more than a thousand words. > >> Nigel > > Robert Anyone with even a meagre grasp of English should have been able to realise that my response was intended humorously..... sigh.... no matter Nigel -- Nigel Titley Peering Coordinator, FLAG Telecom +44 20 7478 9579 ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and contains information which is or may be confidential, non-public or legally privileged. Any dissemination or distribution of this message other than to its intended recipient is strictly prohibited. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose the contents to any other person. If you have received this message in error, please notify us by email to postmaster(a)flagtelecom.com immediately and delete the original message and all copies from all locations in your computer systems. This e-mail has been swept by Mailsweeper TM for viruses. However, FLAG Telecom cannot accept liability for any damage which you may sustain as a result of software viruses. ********************************************************************** This message has been scanned for viruses by MailControl - www.mailcontrol.com

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