Hi Lutz, You are correct, you will need to get the existing route removed first, the responsible LIR will need to raise a ticket with RIPE to assist if PROV1-MNT refuses to co-operate. One thing you can go with AS2 is to create a special MNTNER, which you give MNT-ROUTES to on the inetnum object. That mntner has a password that you give to the AS mntner, and you keep the mnt-by of it as your normal mntner. That way they can create the route with both your shared password and their AS mntner login; but you are the owner and have full control over all the objects. Of course it is dependent on how much trust there is :) -- Jamie Stallwood Security Specialist Imerja Ltd M: 07795 840385 jamie.stallwood@imerja.com -----Original Message----- From: db-help-admin@ripe.net [mailto:db-help-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of SerNet Support Lutz Preßler Sent: 30 January 2009 11:51 To: db-help@ripe.net Subject: multiple route objects and authorisation Hello! Consider the following (anonymous) example: inetnum: 192.168.137.0 - 192.168.137.255 netname: CUSTOMER-PI-NET descr: ... country: DE admin-c: CUSTOMERADMIN-RIPE tech-c: TECHC-RIPE mnt-by: MAINT-MNT status: ASSIGNED PI mnt-routes: PROV1-MNT mnt-domains: MAINT-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered % Information related to '192.168.137.0/24AS1' route: 192.168.137.0/24 descr: ... origin: AS1 mnt-by: PROV1-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered Connectivity for 192.168.137.0/24 shall be switched to PROV2 and PROV1 may be difficult to contact. It's possible for MAINT-MNT to add another mnt-routes: inetnum: 192.168.137.0 - 192.168.137.255 ... mnt-routes: PROV1-MNT mnt-routes: PROV2-MNT But is it possible for PROV2-MNT to add another route object 192.168.137.0/24AS2 without help from PROV1-MNT? I read https://www.ripe.net/info/faq/db/route-creation-IP-space-check.html that it's not possible. Can MAINT-MNT or CUSTOMERADMIN-RIPE do anything if PROV1-MNT is unavailable? Thanks, Lutz Pressler -- Lutz Preßler <Lutz.Pressler@SerNet.DE> http://www.SerNet.DE/ SerNet Service Network GmbH, Bahnhofsallee 1b, D-37081 Göttingen Tel.: +49-551-370000-2, FAX: +49-551-370000-9 AG Göttingen, HRB 2816, GF: Dr. Johannes Loxen -- Imerja Limited Tel: 0870 8611488 | Fax: 0870 8611489 | Web: www.imerja.com Registered Office: Paragon House, Paragon Business Park, Chorley New Road, Horwich, Bolton BL6 6HG Registered in England and Wales No. 5180119 VAT Registered No. 845 0647 22 ISO Registered Firm No. GB2001527 This email is confidential and intended solely for the person or organisation to which it is addressed. It may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s) you should not use, copy, distribute or take any action or reliance on it, since to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately by email reply and delete it from your system. E-mail messages are not secure and attachments could contain software viruses which may damage your system. Whilst every reasonable precaution has been taken to minimise this risk, Imerja Limited cannot accept any liability for any damage sustained as a result of these factors. You are advised to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not represent those of Imerja Limited unless otherwise stated.