Status update ITU discussions
Dear colleagues, Let me start by wishing you all a happy and healthy 2021. I would like to give you a quick update on the discussions that have taken place at ITU in the past few weeks, in particular with regards to New IP, also called FVCN. As you may recall from my earlier posts, there were two study groups seeking to establish "Questions" - the ITU equivalent of a working group - to study a new network architecture and protocol suite, that were positioned to replace or significantly amend the current set of Internet protocols and standards which are maintained by the IETF. Both study groups 11 and 13 held meetings in the week before Christmas. In those meetings, it again became clear that outside of the small group of initial proponents there was little support for the proposed work. And a large group of countries and sector members, including the European Commission, the 27 EU member states, the UK, US, Canada, Japan, as well as the RIPE NCC, GSMA and ETNO, all objected to the establishment of these Questions. The ITU-T processes require these decisions to be consensus based and the long and sustained opposition could only lead to the conclusion that there was no consensus on moving forward with these proposals. Subsequent to that conclusion and although the process technically allows for it, the meetings also failed to reach agreement to send these proposals for consultation of the member states. This now means that, after about a year of discussions, all options in the current process have been exhausted and effectively the topic has been put to rest. In fact, as the question was raised on whether the groups should continue to discuss the proposals, the meeting could not agree and again failed to reach consensus to do so. Further, as we now expect the WTSA-20 conference to be rescheduled to March 2022. A contingency plan has been put in place. As part of that, a revised set of Questions (excluding the ones the ones that failed to reach consensus) have now been forwarded to a meeting of the Telecommunications Standardisation Advisory Group (TSAG) for endorsement as the outcome of the discussions on future work. We expect that, with the endorsement of those agreed questions, we can leave the discussion about the work plan behind, and focus on those work items that fit within the remit of the Union and on which there is consensus that standardisation efforts by ITU-T are required and helpful to our industry. As a sector member of ITU-T, we will remain engaged with these and other study groups and update you on any relevant developments, also towards WTSA and other upcoming conferences such as WTDC and the next Plenipotentiary, which will take place in the autumn of 2022. Best, Marco Hogewoning Manager Public Policy and Internet Governance RIPE NCC
Marco, thanks for this summary of recent events. There are many things you could have said here but wisely chose not to. However you’ve done yourself and your colleagues a great dis-service. The NCC team has done a lot of excellent work, both behind the scenes and at the ITU meeings, to bring about those recent results. Few members of the RIPE community fully appreciate those efforts and all that hard work. I hope my sincere thanks can go some way to address (ouch!) that. I’m very grateful for what’s been done and how well you’ve represented the RIPE community’s perspective at ITU-T and elsewhere. This has had a major impact on the SG11 and SG13 outcomes last month. Many, many thanks for that. As you say, the situation at ITU-T will continue to need close attention and engagement in the run-up to WTSA next year (and possibly beyond that). Discussions there about a new network protocol suite/architecture should now stop for a while. However this isn’t guaranteed. On-going monitoring and engagement will be needed. An even bigger multinational/multistakeholder effort will be required for WTSA if that offers a platform for yet another push to develop a a new network protocol suite/architecture in an ITU-T setting. cheers
Hear hear! Julf On 04-01-2021 14:28, Jim Reid wrote:
Marco, thanks for this summary of recent events.
There are many things you could have said here but wisely chose not to. However you’ve done yourself and your colleagues a great dis-service. The NCC team has done a lot of excellent work, both behind the scenes and at the ITU meeings, to bring about those recent results. Few members of the RIPE community fully appreciate those efforts and all that hard work. I hope my sincere thanks can go some way to address (ouch!) that.
I’m very grateful for what’s been done and how well you’ve represented the RIPE community’s perspective at ITU-T and elsewhere. This has had a major impact on the SG11 and SG13 outcomes last month. Many, many thanks for that.
As you say, the situation at ITU-T will continue to need close attention and engagement in the run-up to WTSA next year (and possibly beyond that). Discussions there about a new network protocol suite/architecture should now stop for a while. However this isn’t guaranteed. On-going monitoring and engagement will be needed. An even bigger multinational/multistakeholder effort will be required for WTSA if that offers a platform for yet another push to develop a a new network protocol suite/architecture in an ITU-T setting.
cheers
On 4 Jan 2021, at 14:28, Jim Reid wrote:
I’m very grateful for what’s been done and how well you’ve represented the RIPE community’s perspective at ITU-T and elsewhere. This has had a major impact on the SG11 and SG13 outcomes last month. Many, many thanks for that.
Many many thanks from me as well. Your work have been absolutely excellent!!!! And that I say with more than one of the hats I wear ;-) I am looking forward to your, and RIPE NCC, continued engagement in the important discussions that, as Jim described, are not over, just sleeping. Thanks! Patrik
I totally agree with Patrik! Many thanks from me as well! To RIPE NCC, to the Coop WG chairs and to all of you who engage and keep on contribute to this important work and to keep up the important discussions! Have a good 2021! /Maria CEO Sunet and member of RIPE NCC Exec. Board _________________________________ Best regards, Maria Häll CEO/Avdelningschef Sunet och anknutna tjänster SUNET - Swedish University Network Vetenskapsrådet/Swedish Research Council Address: Tulegatan 11, floor 3 113 53 STOCKHOLM Email: maria@sunet.se Mobile: +46 70 535 41 38 Web: www.sunet.se
5 jan. 2021 kl. 11:30 skrev Patrik Fältström via cooperation-wg <cooperation-wg@ripe.net>:
On 4 Jan 2021, at 14:28, Jim Reid wrote:
I’m very grateful for what’s been done and how well you’ve represented the RIPE community’s perspective at ITU-T and elsewhere. This has had a major impact on the SG11 and SG13 outcomes last month. Many, many thanks for that.
Many many thanks from me as well. Your work have been absolutely excellent!!!! And that I say with more than one of the hats I wear ;-)
I am looking forward to your, and RIPE NCC, continued engagement in the important discussions that, as Jim described, are not over, just sleeping.
Thanks!
Patrik
participants (5)
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Jim Reid
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Johan Helsingius
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Marco Hogewoning
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Maria Häll
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Patrik Fältström