RIPE NCC Roundtable Meetings - Some Background
Dear colleagues, Based on recent discussions, it would perhaps be useful to provide some background information on the RIPE NCC Roundtable Meetings for Governments and Regulators (to use their full title). The RIPE NCC has been holding these events since 2005, generally on a twice-yearly basis, as an opportunity for representatives of governments and public sector authorities to engage directly with RIPE NCC staff and key members of the RIPE community. Over the years, agenda items have included issues such as IPv6 adoption, Internet governance developments, network security, and Internet measurements and analysis. Presentations are generally delivered by RIPE NCC staff, though there have been occasions when representatives from other organisations have presented on issues relevant to the RIPE NCC or RIPE community (e.g. Olaf Kolkman delivered a presentation at the last Roundtable Meeting on the IETF and its role in Internet security). The Roundtable Meetings are held as invitation-only events. This is to allow government representatives, who are often constrained in what they can say in open forums, to speak and exchange information freely. This is vital to ensuring that all participants get the most out of the meetings. The trade-off is that Roundtable Meetings are purely informational - no formal policy discussion or decision-making occurs. As noted on this list, recent Roundtable Meetings have been held alternately in Amsterdam and Brussels - this has been a conscious move to engage more effectively with European Commission and Parliament staff, as well as EU member state representatives who may otherwise be in Brussels at the time. We have coordinated with contacts in the European Commission to organise our Brussels Roundtable Meetings adjacent to relevant meetings or events held by the Commission. Our plan is to continue this pattern, but we are always open to adjusting our Roundtable Meeting organisation to more effectively reach new participants. The Roundtable Meetings have a great success in helping the RIPE NCC to build relationships with the public sector and inform public sector representatives on issues relating to the RIPE community. While the Roundtable Meetings are invitation-only, the RIPE NCC is very happy to hear input or suggestions from the community (particularly this working group) on issues that might usefully be included on the agenda (we are currently developing the agenda for our next Roundtable Meeting in February, and have noted the discussion that has taken place here regarding IP interconnection). We also strongly you to connect us with public sector representatives from your country who may be interested in attending. I hope this is helpful for discussions going forward, and I am happy to answer questions either on or off the mailing list. Chris Buckridge External Relations Officer, RIPE NCC
In message <65C485D1-99F6-4693-BC26-6B5E6E5B99BF@ripe.net>, at 14:18:35 on Fri, 20 Dec 2013, Chris Buckridge <chrisb@ripe.net> writes
Presentations are generally delivered by RIPE NCC staff, though there have been occasions when representatives from other organisations have presented on issues relevant to the RIPE NCC or RIPE community
And let's not forget the discussions in the corridors, over coffee and lunch. They are extremely valuable networking opportunities and are even more 'off the record', as far as the government attendees are concerned, than questions they might ask from the floor of the formal sessions. This is perhaps one reason why so many of the attendees are not in fact Government/Regulators, but I*/private sector folk with valuable insights into the various issues. -- Roland Perry
Hello, Il 20/12/2013 05:18, Chris Buckridge ha scritto:
While the Roundtable Meetings are invitation-only, the RIPE NCC is very happy to hear input or suggestions from the community (particularly this working group) on issues that might usefully be included on the agenda (we are currently developing the agenda for our next Roundtable Meeting in February, and have noted the discussion that has taken place here regarding IP interconnection).
because of recent domestic events (I'm writing from Italy) I focused my attention on web blocking and filtering issues. I also noticed that this topic has already been addressed by this wg and I'm working on a blog post / document to deepen the suggestions emerged on the "DNS-based filtering" thread: - explaining how DNS and IP work in a manner as clear as possible to non-tech people; - explaining advantages and disadvantages of various blocking measures; - focusing on cross-border / human rights issues. I'm quite new on this wg and I don't know if Roundtable Meetings are the right place where to discuss similar topics, but if I really manage to complete this draft and if you feel it will be suitable I believe it would be worth of consideration to be added to the agenda. My two cents :) -- Pier Carlo Chiodi http://about.me/piercarlo.chiodi The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of any organization, entity or committee to which I may hold a position.
Thanks Chris for those clarifications !
From having attended the Roundtable meetings in the past, I have found the RIPE NCC meetings very useful and hope they will continue to be so. From both personal experience and discussions with people inside government organisations, it does seem useful to *supplement these Roundtable meetings with other types of engagement*.
*In fact we should be determining our modes of engagement such that they have the broadest possible impact. *That could be a workshop or a white paper, or sending an expert to a specific meeting... Whatever it is our aim should be to (1) reach as broad an audience as possible, and (2) create "institutional memory" that will allow RIPE and others to disseminate good information beyond one meeting, workshop, etc. Our aim as RIPE NCC and the Coop WG should be to become a lasting resource -- the go to community for clear, unbiased information on the technical components impacting specific policy areas. That is why with the email Maria send out on 30 November on the 'Proposed Workplan Coop-WG' we suggested a couple of policy areas to start engaging on. We should do this in a way that complements the RIPE NCC roundtable meetings and reaches those that develop policy and legislation but do normally not attend the Roundtable or other RIPE meetings. Alain PS And since this seems to be the very first email on this mailing list this year: I wish you all a very Happy 2014 !!! On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Chris Buckridge <chrisb@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Based on recent discussions, it would perhaps be useful to provide some background information on the RIPE NCC Roundtable Meetings for Governments and Regulators (to use their full title).
The RIPE NCC has been holding these events since 2005, generally on a twice-yearly basis, as an opportunity for representatives of governments and public sector authorities to engage directly with RIPE NCC staff and key members of the RIPE community. Over the years, agenda items have included issues such as IPv6 adoption, Internet governance developments, network security, and Internet measurements and analysis. Presentations are generally delivered by RIPE NCC staff, though there have been occasions when representatives from other organisations have presented on issues relevant to the RIPE NCC or RIPE community (e.g. Olaf Kolkman delivered a presentation at the last Roundtable Meeting on the IETF and its role in Internet security).
The Roundtable Meetings are held as invitation-only events. This is to allow government representatives, who are often constrained in what they can say in open forums, to speak and exchange information freely. This is vital to ensuring that all participants get the most out of the meetings. The trade-off is that Roundtable Meetings are purely informational - no formal policy discussion or decision-making occurs.
As noted on this list, recent Roundtable Meetings have been held alternately in Amsterdam and Brussels - this has been a conscious move to engage more effectively with European Commission and Parliament staff, as well as EU member state representatives who may otherwise be in Brussels at the time. We have coordinated with contacts in the European Commission to organise our Brussels Roundtable Meetings adjacent to relevant meetings or events held by the Commission. Our plan is to continue this pattern, but we are always open to adjusting our Roundtable Meeting organisation to more effectively reach new participants.
The Roundtable Meetings have a great success in helping the RIPE NCC to build relationships with the public sector and inform public sector representatives on issues relating to the RIPE community. While the Roundtable Meetings are invitation-only, the RIPE NCC is very happy to hear input or suggestions from the community (particularly this working group) on issues that might usefully be included on the agenda (we are currently developing the agenda for our next Roundtable Meeting in February, and have noted the discussion that has taken place here regarding IP interconnection).
We also strongly you to connect us with public sector representatives from your country who may be interested in attending.
I hope this is helpful for discussions going forward, and I am happy to answer questions either on or off the mailing list.
Chris Buckridge External Relations Officer, RIPE NCC
In message <CANeNdNJKkT8W-xDhknfpfHygSrMVeh1_rgcxmYNz9d2HEOM20A@mail.gmail.com>, at 00:22:39 on Thu, 2 Jan 2014, Alain Van Gaever <avangaev@gmail.com> writes
our aim should be to (1) reach as broad an audience as possible, and (2) create "institutional memory" that will allow RIPE and others to disseminate good information beyond one meeting, workshop, etc. Our aim as RIPE NCC and the Coop WG should be to become a lasting resource -- the go to community for clear, unbiased information on the technical components impacting specific policy areas.
There is a precedent for this in RIPE-206 which discussed best practice in the area of UBE (since replaced by RIPE-409). As secretariat for LINX's regulatory activities it was my task to support the [LINX] WG meetings from which this (and similar) documents emerged. LINX then went on to author a best practice/institutional memory for privacy and law enforcement liaison[1] issues. https://www.linx.net/good/bcp/privacy-bcp-v1_0.html Both were invaluable for discussions with governments and regulators in subsequent years. With a slightly different hat of mine on (not just secretariat this time, but also main editor and contributor) another briefing document was very helpful in discussions with the authorities about data retention, and was widely accepted as technically unbiassed: http://www.internetcrimeforum.org.uk/principal_current_data_types.pdf As was this multi-stakeholder document about the child-protection risks of Chatlines: http://www.internetcrimeforum.org.uk/chatwise_streetwise.pdf But don't underestimate the amount of work involved, or the number of issues to which this approach could be applied. [1]RIPE NCC's CCWP was working on similar issues, but I'm not aware of whether they have a public deliverable which could be used by the CoOp WG. -- Roland Perry
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Roland Perry