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New government testimonials on IPv6 Act Now
by Paul Rendek 18 Jun '09

18 Jun '09

Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC has posted two new video testimonials on the IPv6 Act Now website: http://www.ipv6actnow.org/info/video/ The new videos feature Constanze Bürger, who outlines the German government's plans to deploy a national IPv6 network, and Patrik Fältström, IT policy advisor to the Swedish government, discussing the various roles that government can play in promoting IPv6 adoption. We invite you to look around the site and hope that you find it useful. If you wish to discuss any of the issues raised in the interviews, you can sign up to the IPv6 Act Now forums to talk with forum participants from around the world: http://www.ipv6actnow.org/forum/ We welcome your feedback and involvement in the IPv6 Act Now website. If you have any comments or suggestions, please contact us at <ipv6actnow(a)ripe.net >. Regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communications RIPE NCC

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RIPE Cooperation Working Group minutes
by maria.hall＠enterprise.ministry.se 26 May '09

26 May '09

4 April 2009, 14:15-15:45 Maria Häll introduced the Chairs and the agenda, explained the preparatory meetings that had been held with government and law enforcement representatives earlier in the day. Martin Boyle introduced himself and the panel on IPv6 deployment and why it is not being adopted. B. Panel Discussion: Why is IPv6 not being adopted by the business community? Chair: Martin Boyle (Nominet) Tom Wills-Sandford (Intellect UK) Patrik Fältström (Cisco, Swedish Government advisor) Kurtis Lindqvist (Netnod) Tom explained his background and interest in IPv6 deployment. He noted that much of industry was unaware or poorly informed about the possible consequences of the depletion of IPv4 address space and how they might prepare for migration to IPv6. He suggested the need for a positive marketing program, and noted that Intellect and organisations like them would find it very valuable if there existed a standard set of information from which to work. He suggested that some leadership is required here. Investing in preparing for IPv6 is well down the list of priorities for most managers, who have not got the evidence they need to make decisions. This needed to be in easy-to-understand language and provide some resource material that could help in preliminary planning - what he described as "cook books" and case studies. Martin turned the conversation to Kurtis, on whether there is cause for concern, and if the RIPE community can assist. Kurtis noted that the more industry groups identify IPv6 adoption and bring it to the attention of their members, the better. The more people preparing these resources (cookbooks etc.) the better, though coordination is also important, and the RIRs (including RIPE NCC and the RIPE community) can assist with this. He noted though that the vendors are helping; there has not been enough of a market to date, but this will change over time. Martin asked Patrik how much lead time people need? Patrik noted that the technical community has only really turned onto the seriousness of this issue in the last few years, and it is good to see business not too far behind that. He noted the importance of requiring IPv6 in the next upgrade cycle, because if you miss one now, it's possible that it will be 10 years before the next cycle comes around. Tom agreed that emphasis needs to be placed on the upgrade cycle. Martin noted that it is the Senior Management who need to get behind these ideas, and this can be difficult. Paul Rendek noted that the RIPE NCC will be launching a new IPv6 website, IPv6 Act Now, later in May, which fits the model of a cookbook that is accessible to the business and government communities. Rumy Kanis also noted that the RIPE NCC Training Team is using the RIPE 58 Meeting to shoot video testimonials of people who have deployed IPv6. Patrik noted that governments and large organisations can be useful in developing Request For Proposal (RFP) guidelines to ensure IPv6 incorporation in all government-funded projects. Jaap Akkerhuis noted that there is demand for information on IPv6, but that the people who require this information are often not at RIPE Meetings. C. Government Updates on IPv6 Policy Maria Hall (SE): Maria noted that Sweden will shortly take over the EU presidency, and will be focusing on what is coming after EU's ICT program, i2010. This will include an IT Policy High Level conference in November 2009 (Visby Agenda – Creating Impact for an eUnion 2015), as well as an e-Governance Ministerial Conference. IPv6 adoption is an important part of both of those focus areas. She also focused on the importance of coordination and communication with other communities, RIPE being one of the most important in this area. Kirsten Sanders (DK): Kirsten outlined how the Danish government is taking the lead in Denmark's IPv6 deployment. The government has drafted several documents on strategy and an Action Plan to roll out. She noted that there is a feeling that government is an important initiator, both through purchasing and also by assisting in connectivity deployment. International cooperation is also vital. Constanze Buerger (DE): Constanze described the German government strategies for IPv6 deployment in government networks. Jim Reid (UK): Jim outlined the strategies that the British Department for Business Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (BERR) is developing. He noted the importance of moving from the center of the network out toward the edge, but noted that government is not going to be funding a wholesale move to IPv6. He also noted the task force that BERR will be setting up in the coming months. D. RIPE NCC Cooperation Activities Update - Paul Rendek, RIPE NCC Paul outlined the cooperation activities of the RIPE NCC (in many cases alongside other RIRs). E. Open Discussion on Issues Raised at Earlier Government and LEA Meetings. Marijn Schuubiers presented on what had taken place in the morning meetings, including the suggestion of a Cybercrime Task Force. This is still in the planning phase, and will be continued, in discussions at the meeting or online. Rob Blokzijl agreed that this is a good initiative, and advised on procedural aspects. Bill Woodcock noted that the ARIN Government WG is doing similar work and would be useful to liaise with. Brian Nisbett noted that there is an Anti-Abuse WG, and that those involved in this may find this interesting. Mat Ford of ISOC noted that he supported this initiative. There was some discussion of a recent program on Radio Four regarding the Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA). Paul Hoare, of SOCA, noted that the program misrepresented the extent of SOCA's knowledge, but agreed that any additional support from the RIPE community would be very welcome. Z. A.O.B. George Michaelson of APNIC noted the new network deployment being discussed by the Australian government, and wondered if the government representatives felt that strong regulation would be appropriate at this moment in terms of IPv6. Maria noted that there are other ways than regulation, and that any regulation should be undertaken very carefully. Jim Reid spoke about the things happening in the UK, and noted that regulation is not really felt to be required. Martin agreed with Jim, and noted that government want to stand back, but need to feel confident that industry is taking up the challenge. If they do not think that this is happening, then they might decide that regulation is necessary to avoid serious failure. He noted though that many countries see the regulatory model as the only model, and they will increase pressure to use this very soon, while trying to show the breakdown of the industry-led model. Patrik noted that the problem is that it is felt that the passive infrastructure should be open, and whether IPv6 should be included is only a very new topic of discussion. Lorenzo Colitti of Google noted that the big step that needs to be fixed is getting IPv6 to users of large ISPs. He pointed out that the users don't actually know that they want IPv6, and they don't have the purchasing power that governments have. He wondered how governments see this happening? The technical solutions are well understood, but it's a question of scaling it up to large ISPs. Moshen Souissi of AFNIC noted that he doesn't want regulation of IPv6 from government, but that government can make these requirements in their equipment upgrades. Lorenzo noted, however, that "setting an example" is perhaps not an effective means of promoting IPv6, and that there are plenty of examples set, but people don't necessarily follow. Patrik noted that governments should be nervous when there are users that are ONLY using IPv6, and not IPv4, and that we are not there yet. Meeting minuted by Chris Buckridge, RIPE NCC Regards, Martin Boyle Maria Häll Co-Chairs, RIPE Cooperation Working Group

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Website Launch: www.IPv6ActNow.org
by Paul Rendek 20 May '09

20 May '09

[Apologies for duplicate emails.] Dear Colleagues, The RIPE NCC is pleased to announce the launch of the IPv6 Act Now! website. www.IPv6ActNow.org is a one stop website that explains IPv6 in terms that everyone can understand and provides a variety of useful information aimed at promoting the global adoption of IPv6. The site is for anyone with an interest in IPv6, including network engineers, company directors, law enforcement agencies, government representatives and civil society. The site content is regularly updated and includes: - Education, advice and opinions from the experts - Latest IPv6-related news stories - Videos and articles from Internet community leaders - Current IPv4 exhaustion and IPv6 uptake statistics - The RIPE community's statement on IPv6 deployment, including a list of organisations supporting this statement - Information on community-developed IPv6 distribution policies - Useful links to other sources of information about IPv6 - A forum for everyone to share experiences, ask questions and find answers The site also includes contributions from other Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) and industry partners. We invite you to take a look around the site. We hope that you find it useful. If you have and comments or suggestions about IPv6ActNow!, please contact us at <ipv6actnow(a)ripe.net>. Regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communication RIPE NCC

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RIPE Cooperation Working Group meeting 4 May in Amsterdam
by maria.hall＠enterprise.ministry.se 27 Apr '09

27 Apr '09

Dear Colleagues, The RIPE Cooperation Working Group will meet at RIPE 58 at the Grand Hotel Krasnapolsky in Amsterdam, from 14:00-15:45, Monday, 4 May 2009. Below is a draft agenda for the session. Please send any comments on this draft to the mailing list or contact the Co-Chairs at <cooperationwg-chairs(a)ripe.net >. Draft agenda: - Panel discussion: Why Is IPv6 Not Being Adopted? - Government updates on IPv6 policy - RIPE NCC Cooperation Activities update - Open discussion During the final agenda item, the working group will discuss issues raised in earlier meetings of government and law enforcement representatives. For more information on the RIPE Cooperation Working Group, please see: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/cooperation/index.html Regards, Martin Boyle Maria Häll Co-Chairs, RIPE Cooperation Working Group

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Fw: Agenda RFC announcement
by Martin.Boyle＠nominet.org.uk 07 Apr '09

07 Apr '09

Dear Colleagues, The RIPE Cooperation Working Group will meet at RIPE 58 in Amsterdam, from 14:00 - 15:45, Monday, 4 May 2009. We are seeking input from the community on any topics that you would like to see covered in the meeting agenda, or volunteers who wish to give a presentation. Please send your comments or suggestions to the mailing list or contact the Co-chairs at <cooperationwg-chairs(a)ripe.net. For more information on the RIPE Cooperation Working Group, please see: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/cooperation/index.html Regards, Martin Boyle Maria Häll Co-Chairs, RIPE Cooperation Working Group

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Report of the RIPE Enhanced Cooperation Task Force Published
by Paul Rendek 25 Mar '09

25 Mar '09

[Apologies for duplicates] Dear Colleagues, We are pleased to announce the publication of ripe-464, "Report of the RIPE Enhanced Cooperation Task Force". This document is now available in the RIPE Document Store at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-464.html Regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communications RIPE NCC

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FWD: Public Consultation on a "Strengthened Network and Information Security in Europe"
by Jaap Akkerhuis 30 Nov '08

30 Nov '08

From various sources I got last week the following announcement. It just occurred to me that this might be of interest to some people on this list, therefore I decided to forward one of these announcements here. jaap ________ From: "Relations to Industry & Academia" <industry(a)enisa.europa.eu> Subject: [ENISA] Public Consultation on a "Strengthened Network and Information Security in Europe" Dear NIS Stakeholder, I would like to inform you that the European Commission has opened a public consultation with the title "Towards a Strengthened Network and Information Security in Europe". The consultation will run through until 9 January 2009. It is available at: http://ec.europa.eu/yourvoice/ipm/forms/dispatch?form=InfsoNis Further information on the public consultation is published at: -DG INFSO newsroom: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/itemlongdetail.cfm?item… -Your voice in Europe: http://ec.europa.eu/yourvoice/consultations/index_en.htm It is stated on the webpage: "In order to facilitate this debate, the Commission's services are organising an online consultation to gather contributions from *as many stakeholders as possible* on the possible objectives for a strengthened network and information security policy at EU level and on the means to achieve those objectives." We urge you make an effort to contribute to this very important public dialogue! kind regards, Dr. Panagiotis TRIMINTZIOS ENISA - European Network and Information Security Agency www.enisa.europa.eu/eq/

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Notes Cooperation Working Group, Thursday 30 Oct 2008, Dubai
by maria.hall＠enterprise.ministry.se 14 Nov '08

14 Nov '08

Cooperation Working Group Thursday, 30 October 2008, Dubai A. Administrative Matters Patrik Fältström introduced himself as Chair for this meeting, as the two official Co-Chairs were unable to attend RIPE 57. He also noted some confusion about the name of the Jabber room. Two items were added to the agenda, under the A.O.B. item. These were presentations by Daniel Karrenberg and Jim Reid, and were added under A.O.B. as the Co-Chairs had already approved the existing agenda. Malcolm Hutty noted the closure of the Enhanced Cooperation Task Force, and its instruction for the Cooperation Working Group to maintain the document produced by the task force. Discussion of this matter was added as a third item under A.O.B. The participants in the room introduced themselves over the microphone. B. Open Comment/Review of Working Group Charter The Chair read out the charter in its current form. The participants endorsed the charter. C. Addressing the Rise of Criminal Service Providers - Paul Hoare, Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) The speaker discussed the issue of criminal activity by Internet Service Providers and how it might be policed. Jim Reid raise a question about whether criminal ISPs could have their RIPE NCC membership terminated as a form of sanction, and how effective this would be as a deterrence, given that the ISP would already have the IP resources. Paul agreed that there remain issues, but that the RIPE NCC could remove reverse DNS services, and the ranges could be handed to a group such as a white-hat organisation who could also announce the ranges, which would degrade the connectivity of the criminal ISP. Jim also noted that there the routing database and the deployment of routing security could be a two-way street, in that the original holder (the criminal ISP) might have a certificate associated with those resources, making it difficult to disrupt their connectivity. Paul agreed that there were many issues, and encouraged anyone with further suggestions to contact him, noting that the RIPE NCC could provide his contact details. He also noted that if the Internet community could regulate this area successfully, it might remove the need or temptation for government to step in and regulate. Daniel Karrenberg noted the term "crime caused by the Internet", and the danger of thinking that by fixing the Internet we can fix crime, whereas the Internet is simply a tool for certain crimes because it has enormous reach, it can rapidly disseminate material throughout the world and because it transcends jurisdictions. Technical solutions can only be a small part of a larger strategy in fighting crime. Paul agreed, noting that the Internet, like any technological development, presents new opportunities to criminals and we should try to restrict these opportunities. Daniel noted that the RIPE NCC's power is limited in terms of physically preventing criminal ISPs from using the Internet, but that this forum should be used to reach out to all ISPs, who collectively have the means to disable these rogue ISPs. He also noted that the RIPE NCC cannot be judge and executioner at the same time, but noted that SOCA is working with the Dutch law enforcement community in sorting this out. He emphasised that there should not be a focus on the RIPE NCC as the head of a hierarchical structure. Paul agreed and reiterated that he is primarily seeking suggestions and solutions. Jaap Akerhuis noted that in the domain name business there are also moves to have registries take down rogue sites, but that there is not a lot that can be done. Paul noted the large number of countries in the RIPE community and that gaining consensus from all these countries is difficult. There are issues of where free speech ends and crime begins. He reiterated the problems of cross-jurisdictional crime, though there are some crimes, such as pedophilia, that are widely accepted. He noted that there is no final solution to remove crime from the Internet, but that slowing them down is still an important goal. Malcolm Hutty noted that, supposing RIPE NCC could knock an ISP off the network, what kind of cooperation and approval would be necessary to obtain from national authorities in the relevant territory. He noted that several years ago UK CEOs were being arrested in the USA for gambling sites that were situated in the UK, and that there would be similar issues between countries within the RIPE region. Paul noted that in many cases SOCA would simply work with authorities in the relevant country, by approaching them and asking them to do something themselves. D. Update on RIPE NCC Outreach Activities RIPE NCC Government Roundtable Meeting, ICANN GAC and IGF 2008 preparations. There was no discussion. E. IPv6: What Should Governments Do? Patrik Fältström Patrik noted that the current deployment of IPv6 is not going well, what can be done about this and the role that government can play in that. There was no discussion. Z. A.O.B./Q&A Session Daniel Karrenberg – Presentation from the Address Policy Working Group on Address Depletion Scenarios Daniel pointed the WG to some work being done in the Address Policy WG on policies about the end of IPv4. He asked whether governments were concerned about the scenarios that were raised in his presentation. Jim Reid noted that in terms of "perceived unfairness", some governments in the region are actually saying that there is already unfairness in the distribution of IP addresses. Nurani Nimpuno noted that there are policy proposals in the works that address these issues in various ways, and that governments should be aware that this is not an issue that is being neglected. Daniel agreed that there are proposals that address part of this issue, but not all of it. Jim Reid - NTIA Open Consultation About Signing of the Root - Report on Work Being Done in the DNS Working Group Jim noted that the US Department of Commerce has asked for comments about signing the DNS root zone, and the DNS Working Group is preparing a statement, as they have in the past pushed for this. The WG has nearly completed this statement, and hopes to present it at the Closing Plenary, and that this can then be accepted as a RIPE community statement. It states basically that this is about the authenticity of the data in the DNS root, not about some overt form of control. There was no discussion. Enhanced Cooperation Task Force Document – What To Do? Malcolm noted that the document created by the Enhanced Cooperation Task Force (EC TF) consists of two parts, one recommending the establishment of this Working Group, the other explaining how the RIPE community works, what bottom-up governance is and why we have these processes in place. It is essentially a communications document. It was decided that a statement from the RIPE community to this effect would be useful to underpin the current system. It is now hoped that this document could go through the appropriate RIPE PDP steps to become a RIPE Document. Rob Bokzijl noted that there is no need for any further formalities as the document has gone through the appropriate RIPE Task Force steps. Paul Rendek noted that any revisions should be showcased in this Working Group. Action point: The RIPE NCC is directed to create a new RIPE Document and place it on the WG website. Malcolm is appointed as the contact for any final edits. Meeting closed. /Maria

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Name of jabber room has changed
by Patrik Fältström 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

The name of the jabber room for the Coperation Wg is "coop", and the name of the jabber server is "conference.ripe.net". Not "cooperation" that was stated earlier. Regards, Patrik Fältström Chair of the cooperation wg session and RIPE-57

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RIPE Cooperation Working Group meeting 30 October in Dubai
by maria.hall＠enterprise.ministry.se 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

Dear Colleagues, The RIPE Cooperation Working Group will meet for the first time at RIPE 57 in Dubai, from 9:00 - 10:30, Thursday, 30 October 2008. Below is a proposed draft agenda for the session. We are seeking input from the community on any additional topics that you would like to see covered, or volunteers who wish to give a presentation. You can send any comments or suggestions to the mailing list or contact the Co-Chairs at <cooperationwg-chairs(a)ripe.net>. Draft agenda: - Open comment/review of working group charter - Addressing the Rise of Criminal Service Providers, Paul Hoare, Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) - Update on RIPE NCC Outreach Activities (including RIPE NCC Government Roundtable meeting, ICANN GAC, IGF 2008 preparations) - IPv6: What Should Governments Do? - AOB/Q&A Session For more information on the RIPE Cooperation Working Group, please see: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/cooperation/index.html Regards, Martin Boyle Maria Häll Co-Chairs, RIPE Cooperation Working Group __________________________ Best regards / Med vänlig hälsning, Maria Häll Deputy Director/Kansliråd Division for Information Technology Policy / Enheten för IT-politik Ministry of Enterprise, Energy and Communications / Näringsdepartementet SE-103 33 Stockholm SWEDEN Visitors address: Mäster Samuelsgatan 70 Direct phone: +46 8 405 21 49 Switchboard +46 8 405 10 00 Mobile: +46 70 535 41 38 e-mail: maria.hall(a)enterprise.ministry.se Hemsida: http://www.regeringen.se/sb/d/2373 Homepage: http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/2156/a/20015

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