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Minutes of the Coop-WG meeting during RIPE 68 in Warsaw
by Alain Van Gaever 04 Jun '14

04 Jun '14

Dear all, Please find below the minutes of the Coop-WG meeting during RIPE 68 in Warsaw. WG members are welcome to suggest further edits or changes. Hope to see you all in London for RIPE-69 ! Meredith, Maria & Alain Co-Chairs of the Coop-WG PS Thanks for Chris for producing the notes! ---- beginning of minutes ---- Location: Warsaw, Poland Attendance: Approximately 150 - Minutes of the session - Full transcript of the session <https://ripe68.ripe.net/archives/steno/39/> - Video of the session and information slide-pack <https://ripe68.ripe.net/archives/video/216/> Major points coming out of the discussion: 1. The RIR communities need to assert their ownership of issues regarding the distribution and registration of Internet number resources. This transition is an opportunity to more solidly formalise that ownership, with minimal change to the existing policy-making and operational processes. 2. While the IANA functions (as a bundle) present a number of complex issues, identifying a future model for the IANA Internet number registry functions should be straightforward. The policy-making and operational processes relating to the IANA Internet number registry functions are solid and have been in place for many years, and they have never included an explicit oversight role for the NTIA. 3. The Regional Internet Registries must ensure that their processes and policies are clearly defined, well documented, transparent and accessible. 4. While the RIPE NCC will facilitate discussion of these issues throughout the service region (including at community regional events), the RIPE Cooperation Working Group will serve as the central venue for RIPE community discussion and development of any proposal relating to the future of the IANA functions. Some additional points made during the discussion: - Speakers reported on the progress of the Internet Architecture Board (IAB) and the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) in establishing their ownership and authority over protocol parameter registries maintained by IANA. - Several speakers noted the dangers arising from this process, particularly the potential for an outcome that does not solidly define and protect the community-driven, bottom-up control and development of IANA policy. - Several speakers noted the interest that governments throughout the world are taking in this process and that government voices will be a factor in the final outcome. - Several speakers stressed the importance of reaching RIPE community consensus on a proposal or position, with this process potentially seen as a test-case for bottom-up policy making. - Several speakers argued strongly that any RIR proposal should aim to separate the IANA number management functions from oversight of the other IANA functions. --------- End of minutes ------

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Re: [cooperation-wg] cooperation-wg Digest, Vol 29, Issue 6
by Wout de Natris 20 May '14

20 May '14

Gordon, Weren't regulators in telecoms in the late 90s meant to go in straight through the front door and break open the market? (Where necessary.) Make interconnection and special access possible by forcing access and setting prices, etc.? In those days I was not under the impression to be working on "the edges". What I get from your analyses, the main point BEREC's stating, is not so far beside what happened in the late 90s, at least in NL. New developments should be supported, but not through harming other/traditional services. And isn't that what the concern is about? Wout > From: cooperation-wg-request(a)ripe.net > Subject: cooperation-wg Digest, Vol 29, Issue 6 > To: cooperation-wg(a)ripe.net > Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 12:00:05 +0200 > > Send cooperation-wg mailing list submissions to > cooperation-wg(a)ripe.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/cooperation-wg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cooperation-wg-request(a)ripe.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cooperation-wg-owner(a)ripe.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cooperation-wg digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. BEREC - Network Neutrality (Gordon Lennox) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 10:32:45 +0200 > From: Gordon Lennox <gordon.lennox.13(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [cooperation-wg] BEREC - Network Neutrality > To: Cooperation WG <cooperation-wg(a)ripe.net> > Message-ID: <1895B0B2-692B-49D0-A29C-FAC5A053528D(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > BEREC have just issued a press release commenting on the Parliament's modified proposal and recalling some of their concerns with the Commission's initial proposal. About network neutrality they write: > > <<BEREC supports the promotion of and the clear commitment of the European Parliament to the principle of net neutrality. This is in line with BEREC?s public position, and indeed BEREC has been deeply involved with the subject since 2010, since when it has developed a set of principles and guidelines that can be implemented and adapted by national regulatory authorities, under the existing framework. The internet has proven to be highly innovative, thanks to certain fundamental principles such as the separation of network and application layer, the best effort principle and universal connectivity. This innovation should be safeguarded, both on the edges and within the network. > > BEREC recognizes that guaranteeing an open internet is a challenging objective, not least given its complex and dynamic ecosystem. Yet, the Commission?s original proposal would turn a flexible and progressive regulatory regime (under the 2009 Framework) into a rigid regulatory system and the European Parliament has generally retained this approach. > > BEREC would instead prefer an approach based on principles rather than detailed rules and which provides NRAs with the necessary powers to ensure that those principles (such as the ones developed by BEREC on what constitutes reasonable traffic management and on the relationship between specialized services and internet access services) are respected. Under such an approach, national regulators would be pursuing the same objective and enforcing the same principles, but the specific triggers and thresholds for regulatory intervention in a given market could be adapted to address national circumstances. > > If a rules-based approach is nonetheless to be pursued, then further work would be required to ensure that the definitions and rules were legally precise, future-proof and enforceable in practice. While some of the language in the text adopted by European Parliament draws upon BEREC previous publications on the subject, improving the original Commission?s proposals, it does not yet meet these standards. A balanced approach to promoting net neutrality on the Internet in parallel to the provision of specialised services is a difficult challenge. BEREC considers that specialised services should be clearly separated (physically or virtually) from internet access services at the network layer, to ensure that sufficient safeguards prevent degradation of the internet access services. Therefore BEREC welcomes the European Parliament?s acknowledgement of this principle. However, some inconsistencies in the proposed rules and definitions still raise legal and policy concerns.>> > > http://berec.europa.eu/eng/news_consultations/whats_new/2203-berec-publishe… > > So if you want network neutrality then you need regulation? The only question left is what kind. One indication of where they see the limits can perhaps be found in the sentence "This innovation should be safeguarded, both on the edges and within the network." > > I feel this is a significant shift. I cannot remember regulators looking in detail at what happens within traditional networks. They limited themselves to the "edges". > > Gordon > > > > > > > > > End of cooperation-wg Digest, Vol 29, Issue 6 > *********************************************

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BEREC - Network Neutrality
by Gordon Lennox 20 May '14

20 May '14

BEREC have just issued a press release commenting on the Parliament's modified proposal and recalling some of their concerns with the Commission's initial proposal. About network neutrality they write: <<BEREC supports the promotion of and the clear commitment of the European Parliament to the principle of net neutrality. This is in line with BEREC’s public position, and indeed BEREC has been deeply involved with the subject since 2010, since when it has developed a set of principles and guidelines that can be implemented and adapted by national regulatory authorities, under the existing framework. The internet has proven to be highly innovative, thanks to certain fundamental principles such as the separation of network and application layer, the best effort principle and universal connectivity. This innovation should be safeguarded, both on the edges and within the network. BEREC recognizes that guaranteeing an open internet is a challenging objective, not least given its complex and dynamic ecosystem. Yet, the Commission’s original proposal would turn a flexible and progressive regulatory regime (under the 2009 Framework) into a rigid regulatory system and the European Parliament has generally retained this approach. BEREC would instead prefer an approach based on principles rather than detailed rules and which provides NRAs with the necessary powers to ensure that those principles (such as the ones developed by BEREC on what constitutes reasonable traffic management and on the relationship between specialized services and internet access services) are respected. Under such an approach, national regulators would be pursuing the same objective and enforcing the same principles, but the specific triggers and thresholds for regulatory intervention in a given market could be adapted to address national circumstances. If a rules-based approach is nonetheless to be pursued, then further work would be required to ensure that the definitions and rules were legally precise, future-proof and enforceable in practice. While some of the language in the text adopted by European Parliament draws upon BEREC previous publications on the subject, improving the original Commission’s proposals, it does not yet meet these standards. A balanced approach to promoting net neutrality on the Internet in parallel to the provision of specialised services is a difficult challenge. BEREC considers that specialised services should be clearly separated (physically or virtually) from internet access services at the network layer, to ensure that sufficient safeguards prevent degradation of the internet access services. Therefore BEREC welcomes the European Parliament’s acknowledgement of this principle. However, some inconsistencies in the proposed rules and definitions still raise legal and policy concerns.>> http://berec.europa.eu/eng/news_consultations/whats_new/2203-berec-publishe… So if you want network neutrality then you need regulation? The only question left is what kind. One indication of where they see the limits can perhaps be found in the sentence "This innovation should be safeguarded, both on the edges and within the network." I feel this is a significant shift. I cannot remember regulators looking in detail at what happens within traditional networks. They limited themselves to the "edges". Gordon

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Panel on Internet Governance - watch now!
by Chris Buckridge 13 May '14

13 May '14

Dear colleagues, This is a quick note that the RIPE 68 Meeting is currently underway, and you can now tune in to watch a panel session on Internet governance: https://ripe68.ripe.net/live/main/ More details on the panel here: https://ripe68.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/plenary/#tue3 Best regards, Chris Buckridge, RIPE NCC

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RIPE 68 Co-op WG now published
by Meredith Whittaker 07 May '14

07 May '14

Hi all, In our role as co-chairs, Alain, Maria, and I have worked with Chris and others to put together an agenda for next week that's now live and published. https://ripe68.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/coop-wg/ We're looking forward to it, and to your comments, of course. Cheers! Meredith -- Meredith Whittaker Program Manager, Google Research Google NYC

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BEREC - Network Neutrality and Quality Monitoring
by Gordon Lennox 03 May '14

03 May '14

I know it is late but BEREC has just had a public consultation on: "Monitoring quality of services in the context of network neutrality" based on a draft report, a draft which I think is still worth reading. See: http://berec.europa.eu/eng/news_consultations/ongoing_public_consultations/… Regards, Gordon

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REMINDER: One Week to Comment on IANA Transition Process Proposal
by Chris Buckridge 01 May '14

01 May '14

Dear colleagues, This is a brief reminder that a deadline of Thursday, 8 May has been set for public comment on the "Draft Proposal, Based on Initial Community Feedback, of the Principles and Mechanisms and the Process to Develop a Proposal to Transition NTIA's Stewardship of the IANA Functions": <http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/iana/transition/draft-proposal-08a…> This document is a preliminary step in the multi-stakeholder process to develop a future model of IANA administration and outlines the process by which that development will take place. It’s most significant concrete proposal is the creation of a "steering group" made up of various IANA stakeholder representatives (including the Address Supporting Organization and the Number Resource Organization) to steward the global discussion and development process. A public comment on the proposal was posted earlier this week by the Internet Architecture Board (IAB): <http://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2014/04/iab-response-to-20140408-…> Anyone with an interest is encouraged to send their comments on the draft proposal to <ianatransition(a)icann.org>. Further background on the IANA functions and the significance of this transition process for the RIPE community is available at: <http://ripe.net/iana-transition> There will also be an opportunity for further RIPE community discussion of the IANA transition in next month's Cooperation Working Group session at RIPE 68: <https://ripe68.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/coop-wg/> Best regards, Chris Buckridge, RIPE NCC

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NETmundial Concludes With Multistakeholder Statement
by Chris Buckridge 25 Apr '14

25 Apr '14

Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC has posted a brief report on the conclusion of NETmundial in São Paulo, Brazil: https://www.ripe.net/internet-coordination/news/industry-developments/netmu… There will be further reporting on NETmundial on the agenda of the RIPE Cooperation Working Group session at RIPE 68 next month. Best regards, Chris Buckridge, RIPE NCC

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Update on the IANA Transition Process
by Paul Rendek 23 Apr '14

23 Apr '14

Dear colleagues, As noted in earlier discussions, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA), an agency of the U.S. Department of Commerce, has announced that it intends to transfer key Internet domain functions (the IANA functions) to the global multi-stakeholder community. An open process to develop a model for future IANA administration is now underway. The RIPE NCC has published a section on its website that provides background information on the IANA functions, the role of oversight of IANA and the RIPE NCC’s relationship to IANA. The pages also detail the process for development of the future IANA model, and the opportunities for the RIPE community and RIPE NCC membership to contribute: http://ripe.net/iana-transition The RIPE NCC would like to highlight several key points to help stimulate community discussion in this area: - The IANA function covers three separate areas: Internet resources, domain names and protocol assignments on behalf of the IETF. The primary concern for the RIPE NCC is ensuring the continued fair, efficient and stable management of Internet number resources in any future model or arrangement. - The RIPE NCC and the other RIRs actually have relatively few interactions with IANA. We receive allocations of Internet number resources according to global policies developed using the same bottom-up processes as in our regional communities. To date, the U.S. Government’s oversight of IANA has never been exercised to affect IANA operations or policy development relating to Internet number resources. - The RIPE community and the RIPE NCC work together using a well-established model of bottom-up, open and inclusive processes. These attributes, which underpin all RIPE NCC and RIPE community activities, are essential elements of a "multi-stakeholder" model, specified by the NTIA as a requirement for any proposal to move forward. - The RIRs have developed their own robust structures to allow for cooperation and coordination on a global level, most notably through the Number Resource Organization (NRO), which represents all five RIRs working cooperatively. The NRO Number Council, which is comprised of members from the five RIR communities (and which also plays the role of the ICANN Address Supporting Organization Address Council), currently provides oversight of the global policy development process as it pertains to Internet number resources. It is important that the RIPE NCC membership and the RIPE community's voices are heard in these discussions, as key stakeholders in how the global pool of Internet number resources is managed. Following discussion with the co-chairs of the RIPE Cooperation Working Group, we suggest that RIPE community discussion be focused in this working group, both on the mailing list and in RIPE Meeting sessions. This arrangement will allow anyone with an interest to participate or follow discussions, without the need to attend events in person. You can subscribe to the RIPE Cooperation Working Group mailing list at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/wg-lists/cooperation At RIPE 68 in Warsaw, there will be a discussion on the future of the IANA functions in the Cooperation Working Group session on 15 May (remote participation will be available): https://ripe68.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ There will be opportunities to consider these issues in all RIPE-related venues, including ENOG, MENOG and other regional meetings. The RIPE NCC will also use its Roundtable Meetings to engage with governments and regulators on this topic. Finally, there are channels for global discussion, including the ICANN-hosted mailing list <ianatransition(a)icann.org>: https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ianatransition The RIPE NCC will actively participate in the global development process that is being convened by ICANN. The RIPE NCC will be informed and directed by our community and membership on the best way forward with this transition. Kind regards, Paul Rendek Director of External Relations RIPE NCC

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NETmundial HUB - CENTR Background paper
by Wim Degezelle 16 Apr '14

16 Apr '14

Hi All, CENTR will organise the Brussels Hub for next weeks NETmundial meeting in São Paulo. This means that during the meeting all who are interested are welcome to join us in the CENTR office to follow the sessions, discuss and give life input to the meeting in Brazil. If you want to join please RSVP before April 22, noon CET at secretariat(a)centr.org . (first come first served) Details at https://centr.org/CENTRpaper_NETmundial-April2014 . CENTR has published a background paper (including a tentative agenda for NETmundial). You can download it at https://centr.org/CENTRpaper_NETmundial-April2014 . CENTR will be represented at NETmundial by Peter Van Roste (General Manager), Lise Fuhr (.dk / CENTR Board), Richard Weil (.at/ CENTR Board) and many other members. Kind Regards Wim signature2

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