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RIPE 81 BoF on sustainable procurement
by Michael J. Oghia 14 Oct '20

14 Oct '20

Dear all, I'd like to cordially invite you and your colleagues to a Birds of a Feather (BoF) session I am organising as part of RIPE81 on Monday, 26 October, from 14:00-15:00 (UTC+1). The session draws on a post <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainabl…> I authored for RIPE Labs over the summer, and aims to highlight how the RIPE community can contribute to a more sustainable Internet via decisions regarding buying hardware and sourcing services (procurement). It intends to gather interest and feedback from the community on the topic, and based on that discussion and the feedback received, potentially form a working group to write a document with more practical guidelines for operators (similar to ripe-554 <https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-554> for IPv6). I'm also happy to announce that Peter Pawlicki, the Director of Outreach and Education at Electronics Watch, will join as well. In case you or any of your colleagues manage your organisation's procurement process, please do forward this to them. More information about the session is available here <https://ripe81.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/bof/>. And don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions. Best, -Michael Oghia

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Call for (short) presentations at vRipe 81 - Connect Working Group
by Will van Gulik 12 Oct '20

12 Oct '20

Dear friends of the Connect WG, We are a bit more than two weeks virtual RIPE 81, that will take place virtually from October 27th to 30th 2020. Our next Connect-WG session is scheduled for Wednesday, October 28th from 1pm to 1.45pm. We already have a quite packed agenda, and as you noticed we have shorter slot than last time, but we might be able to find some 5 min slots if there is a topic you would like to share during the session. Please let us know ! Thanks, Kind regards, Florence, Remco and Will Connect-WG co-chairs

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New on RIPE Labs: The Internet is for the Empowerment of End Users
by Alun Davies 25 Sep '20

25 Sep '20

Dear colleagues, Following the publication of RFC8890, Vesna Manojlovic talks about overlaps between the RIPE and IETF communities on issues raised in the document, and explains why she's an advocate for technical communities working together with End Users on mutual empowerment. Read more on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/becha/the-internet-is-for-empowerment-of-end-… Kind regards, Alun Davies RIPE NCC

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Let's talk let's act - Attracting and engaging young people in our industry
by Bijal Sanghani 22 Sep '20

22 Sep '20

Hi everyone, I’d like to invite you to the new Euro-IX panel series, Let’s talk let’s act, the first of which will take place tomorrow 14:00 UTC / 15:00 BST / 16:00 CEST. During this panel we’ll be hearing from young people in our industry who will talk about challenges they’ve faced, and talk about ways in which we can all make small changes to help sustain and grow our industry. Don’t miss this exciting panel and register now - https://www.euro-ix.net/en/events/virtual-events/lets-talk-lets-act/ <https://www.euro-ix.net/en/events/virtual-events/lets-talk-lets-act/> Kind regards, Bijal Sanghani

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Re: [connect-wg] New on RIPE Labs: You’ve Got the Power: Sustainable Procurement and the RIPE Community
by Michael Richardson 03 Sep '20

03 Sep '20

Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > These are such great examples as well. If it's not too much trouble for > you, would you be able to add this as a comment on the post itself so that > we can keep such good comments as yours centralised in one place? I have reposted as you suggested. What about this part: mcr> It would be nice if we had survey data to prove or disprove this belief. mcr> Perhaps RIPE along with some of the entities you mentioned might be able to mcr> do a confidential survey of ISPs in order to summarize the results? Could RIPE do a survey of ISPs? What is the lifespan of equipment, and what kind of support contracts are they able to negotiate, particularly for their higher volume devices. -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF(a)sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-

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Re: [connect-wg] New on RIPE Labs: You’ve Got the Power: Sustainable Procurement and the RIPE Community
by Michael J. Oghia 02 Sep '20

02 Sep '20

Good points Michael, and that is also why I argue <https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/to-green-the-internet-we-need-r…> the RIPE community should take an explicit stance on the Right to Repair. Best, -Michael On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 3:01 PM Michael Richardson <mcr(a)sandelman.ca> wrote: > > J Scott Marcus <scott(a)scottmarcus.com> wrote: > > You would probably find some useful bits in a recent study of mine > on behalf > > of the European Parliament. > > > J. Scott Marcus (2020), “Promoting product longevity: How can the EU > product > > safety and compliance framework help promote product durability and > tackle > > planned obsolescence, foster the production of more sustainable > products, and > > achieve more transparent supply chains for consumers?”, study for > the IMCO > > Committee of the European Parliament. > > > https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/648767/IPOL_STU(202… > > For the rest who did not read it yet: > > "Some users always want to have the latest technology, but there is good > reason to believe that a great manyof these mobile devices are replaced (1) > because the battery has died, and cannot be replaced by the user; or (2) > because the screen has cracked, and cannot be replaced by the user, or (3) > because the manufacturer no longer is willing or able to support the > software. " > > with the caution that: > > "These same considerations hint at reasons why any prolongation of product > lifetime for passenger vehicles – a potential initiative which, > interestingly, is not visible in the Circular Economy Action Plan – might > prove to be counter-productive at this particular point in time. Any > prolongation of the lifetime of existing vehicles risks a slight delay in > the > take-up of new electric vehicles and self-driving vehicles, thus potential > delaying a technology evolution that produces benefits of its own. " > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT > architect [ > ] mcr(a)sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > >

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Re: [connect-wg] New on RIPE Labs: You’ve Got the Power: Sustainable Procurement and the RIPE Community
by Michael J. Oghia 31 Aug '20

31 Aug '20

Dear Michael, Thank you very much for your kind words and for this absolutely critical insight. You're right that the relatively short lifecycle of many devices is indeed a primary driver of the issue. These are such great examples as well. If it's not too much trouble for you, would you be able to add this as a comment on the post itself so that we can keep such good comments as yours centralised in one place? I don't have much to add to your comments other than fully agreeing with you and wondering if the RIPE community can work together to lobby for changes – assuming that's something we're both able and willing to do. Best, -Michael __________________ Michael J. Oghia | Advocacy & Engagement Manager Global Forum for Media Development (GFMD <https://gfmd.info>) Belgrade, Serbia (UTC+2) | Twitter <https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia> GPG: E95D 2127 0D45 77D3 4D43 4D5A E3BA 6F23 301D 7082 On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:21 PM Michael Richardson <mcr(a)sandelman.ca> wrote: > > Thank you for this. > I think that one of the key things to reducing e-waste is to keep devices > in > productive use longer. The smartphone cycle is largely being driven by > planned obsolescence through lack of software updates. While few of us > here > are in the smartphone business, we see the same thing with CPE devices. > > No software updates means poor security, which pushes for replacement of > the > devices. > More capable devices can sustain more updates, but cost more up-front, > and there still very little relationship between price paid and number of > years of supported software updates. At least, I believe this anecdotally. > It would be nice if we had survey data to prove or disprove this belief. > Perhaps RIPE along with some of the entities you mentioned might be able to > do a confidential survey of ISPs in order to summarize the results? > > EN 303 645 and upcoming UK legislation requires that the support time for > devices to be made clear at point of purchase. See > https://www.iotsecurityfoundation.org/keep-software-updated/ for many > references. (Yes, I'm the presenter for the webinar, the first of which was > this morning) > > While the nic.cz Turris system is well supported, and very capable, I'm > not > any influence on big ISP purchasing. > What kind of software support lifespans are ISPs able to contract? > While many RIPE clueful people know about, deploy and contribute to > openwrt, > it does not seem to show up in a supported way in devices that I see either > big or small ISPs deploying. The big ones don't seem to care. The small > ones can't afford to take a risk. > > Years ago, it was the common that an ISP would buy some 12-port switching > device for it's core, and two years later (when it was too slow), would > migrate it from the core to an access aggregator, and then two years later, > it might find a few more years service as internal lab equipment, or being > used for a multi-tenant CPE. I learnt this as a switch (chip) designer. > Is this still a thing? > > In my more recent (2014-era) hands-on ISP experience, this was no longer a > thing, because the devices had all become far too specialized. Maybe SDN > is > changing this? Are there best practices in making purchase decisions that > support this migration of equipment? > {I'm reminded of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQjHJKNyoUE } > > Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm happy to share an article that Mirjam and I just published on > RIPE Labs > > about sustainable procurement practices: > > > > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainabl… > > > I wanted to post it here because I think it's relevant to this group > as > > operators, managers, and others. I'm keen to hear your thoughts, and > > encourage you to leave comments on the article so we know how to > best take > > this forward (and also gauge interest). > > > Have a good weekend,, > > -Michael > > __________________ > > > Michael J. Oghia | Advocacy & Engagement Manager > > Global Forum for Media Development (GFMD <https://gfmd.info>) > > Belgrade, Serbia (UTC+2) | Twitter < > https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> | > > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia> > > GPG: E95D 2127 0D45 77D3 4D43 4D5A E3BA 6F23 301D 7082 > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: Mirjam Kuehne <mir(a)ripe.net> > > Date: Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 2:15 PM > > > Dear colleagues, > > > Buying equipment can have an impact on environmental sustainability. > > Michael Oghia writes about issues surrounding sustainable procurement > > and how the RIPE community has the potential to make a difference: > > > > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainabl… > > > Kind regards, > > Mirjam Kühne > > RIPE NCC > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Alternatives: > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > connect-wg mailing list > > connect-wg(a)ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/connect-wg > > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT > architect [ > ] mcr(a)sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > > > > > >

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Re: [connect-wg] New on RIPE Labs: You’ve Got the Power: Sustainable Procurement and the RIPE Community
by Michael Richardson 28 Aug '20

28 Aug '20

Thank you for this. {resending from subscribed address} I think that one of the key things to reducing e-waste is to keep devices in productive use longer. The smartphone cycle is largely being driven by planned obsolescence through lack of software updates. While few of us here are in the smartphone business, we see the same thing with CPE devices. No software updates means poor security, which pushes for replacement of the devices. More capable devices can sustain more updates, but cost more up-front, and there still very little relationship between price paid and number of years of supported software updates. At least, I believe this anecdotally. It would be nice if we had survey data to prove or disprove this belief. Perhaps RIPE along with some of the entities you mentioned might be able to do a confidential survey of ISPs in order to summarize the results? EN 303 645 and upcoming UK legislation requires that the support time for devices to be made clear at point of purchase. See https://www.iotsecurityfoundation.org/keep-software-updated/ for many references. (Yes, I'm the presenter for the webinar, the first of which was this morning) While the nic.cz Turris system is well supported, and very capable, I'm not any influence on big ISP purchasing. What kind of software support lifespans are ISPs able to contract? While many RIPE clueful people know about, deploy and contribute to openwrt, it does not seem to show up in a supported way in devices that I see either big or small ISPs deploying. The big ones don't seem to care. The small ones can't afford to take a risk. Years ago, it was the common that an ISP would buy some 12-port switching device for it's core, and two years later (when it was too slow), would migrate it from the core to an access aggregator, and then two years later, it might find a few more years service as internal lab equipment, or being used for a multi-tenant CPE. I learnt this as a switch (chip) designer. Is this still a thing? In my more recent (2014-era) hands-on ISP experience, this was no longer a thing, because the devices had all become far too specialized. Maybe SDN is changing this? Are there best practices in making purchase decisions that support this migration of equipment? {I'm reminded of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQjHJKNyoUE } Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm happy to share an article that Mirjam and I just published on RIPE Labs > about sustainable procurement practices: > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainabl… > I wanted to post it here because I think it's relevant to this group as > operators, managers, and others. I'm keen to hear your thoughts, and > encourage you to leave comments on the article so we know how to best take > this forward (and also gauge interest). > Have a good weekend,, > -Michael > __________________ > Michael J. Oghia | Advocacy & Engagement Manager > Global Forum for Media Development (GFMD <https://gfmd.info>) > Belgrade, Serbia (UTC+2) | Twitter <https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> | > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia> > GPG: E95D 2127 0D45 77D3 4D43 4D5A E3BA 6F23 301D 7082 > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Mirjam Kuehne <mir(a)ripe.net> > Date: Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 2:15 PM > Dear colleagues, > Buying equipment can have an impact on environmental sustainability. > Michael Oghia writes about issues surrounding sustainable procurement > and how the RIPE community has the potential to make a difference: > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainabl… > Kind regards, > Mirjam Kühne > RIPE NCC > ---------------------------------------------------- > Alternatives: > ---------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > connect-wg mailing list > connect-wg(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/connect-wg -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF(a)sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-

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New on RIPE Labs: You’ve Got the Power: Sustainable Procurement and the RIPE Community
by Michael J. Oghia 28 Aug '20

28 Aug '20

Hi everyone, I'm happy to share an article that Mirjam and I just published on RIPE Labs about sustainable procurement practices: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainabl… I wanted to post it here because I think it's relevant to this group as operators, managers, and others. I'm keen to hear your thoughts, and encourage you to leave comments on the article so we know how to best take this forward (and also gauge interest). Have a good weekend,, -Michael __________________ Michael J. Oghia | Advocacy & Engagement Manager Global Forum for Media Development (GFMD <https://gfmd.info>) Belgrade, Serbia (UTC+2) | Twitter <https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> | LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia> GPG: E95D 2127 0D45 77D3 4D43 4D5A E3BA 6F23 301D 7082 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Mirjam Kuehne <mir(a)ripe.net> Date: Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 2:15 PM Dear colleagues, Buying equipment can have an impact on environmental sustainability. Michael Oghia writes about issues surrounding sustainable procurement and how the RIPE community has the potential to make a difference: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/michael_oghia/you-ve-got-the-power-sustainabl… Kind regards, Mirjam Kühne RIPE NCC

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GR-IX drops RPKI invalids
by Michael Oikonomakos 06 Jul '20

06 Jul '20

Dear all, It has been a long journey but thankfully it has come to an end!!! We are happy to announce that as of today (06/07/2020) GR-IX route servers drop RPKI invalids for both our infrastructures in Athens & Thessaloniki. GR-IX [1] is a neutral and independent Internet Exchange in Greece, owned and operated by GRNET [2] (the Greek NREN). Please let us share with you the brief version of the story behind it and any lessons learned. - GRNET was an early supporter of RPKI. It started by signing ROAs for GRNET and their customers (all Greek Universities and Research Institutes). Moreover, it performed marking on each prefix received for further statistical / monitoring process. In the early days, GRNET was not dropping RPKI invalids, but put those prefixes with lower priority in their routing table. - GRNET & GR-IX were early supporters of MANRS [3] and successfully became a member of MANRS as a Network Operator & IXP respectively. - As of 10/2019, GRNET decided to start dropping invalid IPv4 and IPv6 RPKI prefixes received from GR-IX peerings and from GRNET upstream. No major issues were reported until now. - As of today, GR-IX drops invalid IPv4 & IPv6 RPKI prefixes on their route servers. We are using the BGP large communities proposed by euro-ix [4] in order to mark the prefixes accordingly. We noticed no prefix with RPKI invalid status which hasn't already been filtered by our route servers due to our strict IRRDB filtering. We would like to thank all our members (GRNET & GR-IX ones) for their help and support in this effort - either via simply signing their ROAs, or by participating in our tech mailing list and discussions we had during various fora. Internet was built of smaller or bigger ecosystems such as ours in Greece, in which we take great pride of its vibrant participation and technical expertise and are happy of being part of it. We do hope you’re staying safe and healthy during these hard times and wish you a great summer. Should you need any further information, please do contact us. Best regards, Michalis [1]: https://www.gr-ix.gr <https://www.gr-ix.gr/> [2]: https://grnet.gr/en/ <https://grnet.gr/en/> [3]: https://www.manrs.org <https://www.manrs.org/> [4]: https://www.euro-ix.net/en/forixps/large-bgp-communities/ <https://www.euro-ix.net/en/forixps/large-bgp-communities/>

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