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Announcing the draft CoC for community review
by Leo Vegoda 04 Mar '21

04 Mar '21

Dear TF, Antony has created a web page for the draft CoC here: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-documents/other-documents/ripe-… I plan to announce the draft tomorrow, using the text here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11_yFznrdw6TAs40t2I8edRUjfWGho10q7f99gFo… Following a suggestion from Mirjam, I have already alerted the Trusted Contacts to the draft text so that they know the announcement is coming and that their input is valued. Kind regards, Leo

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Draft agenda for upcoming meeting
by Leo Vegoda 01 Mar '21

01 Mar '21

Dear TF, Here is a draft agenda for Friday's meeting. I struck out the agenda item on minutes again. The core discussion is to look at whether we could have the new text agreed as the Code of Conduct that applies at RIPE 82, and to look at our order of operations for documents 2 and 3 <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zkYiQPkX6tq09tdpQdL_URbvfnILgwrqRn2zq2e…>. Please review the draft structures again ahead of our meeting and consider whether we should be looking at working on one document ahead of the other, or if we need to work on them in parallel. Also, please think about whether we will need any additional information to make progress on these documents. Many thanks, Leo Title Who What Time Outcome Minutes TF Review the draft minutes of the last two meetings. Agree any changes. Finalize. 0 mins Minutes Agenda TF Review agenda and adjust as needed. 5 mins Agenda Actions All Review status of actions from the previous meeting: - RIPE NCC to prepare agreed text for publication. - Leo to update RIPE Chair Team on agreement to accept feedback in private where necessary and update draft announcement <https://docs.google.com/document/d/11_yFznrdw6TAs40t2I8edRUjfWGho10q7f99gFo…> text. (done) 5 mins Status Timeline NCC Evaluate whether the updated CoC could be in place in time to be included in the registration terms for RIPE 82 10 mins Information Order of Operations All Does it make sense to work on process (Document 3) before looking at the Code of Conduct Team (Document 2)? 15 mins Decision AOB All Any other business 5 mins - Actions NCC Review actions agreed during the meeting 5 mins Action list

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Updating the draft announcement
by Leo Vegoda 19 Feb '21

19 Feb '21

Dear TF, When we met yesterday we agreed to encourage people to provide feedback on the draft on the RIPE Discussion List but to provide the opportunity for people to provide feedback in private to us or the RIPE Chair Team. I have updated the draft announcement to make this clear. The new text is highlighted in orange: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11_yFznrdw6TAs40t2I8edRUjfWGho10q7f99gFo… I'd be grateful if you could review the text and make suggestions for any improvements needed. Many thanks, Leo

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Proposed agenda items for a planning meeting
by Leo Vegoda 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

Dear TF, As discussed earlier today, please review the draft structure and share issues we should discuss to more effectively plan our work for Documents 2 and 3. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zkYiQPkX6tq09tdpQdL_URbvfnILgwrqRn2zq2e… I have removed Document 1's text from this structure now that we have agreed to publish it as a draft. Please consider any dependencies between the documents and the impact of the level of detail in the scope of work for a CoC Team. Kind regards, Leo

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Draft agenda for upcoming meeting
by Leo Vegoda 14 Feb '21

14 Feb '21

Dear TF, I have drafted an agenda for our meeting on Thursday. I have struck through the agenda item to review minutes of the last meeting as I asked Antony to prioritize getting a draft ready for the Code of Conduct, which we can amenda or decide to publish as-is. The other key items on this agenda is to start thinking about how we want to work on Documents 2 and 3. Improvements to the draft agenda are welcome. Thanks, Leo Title Who What Time Outcome Minutes TF Review the draft minutes of the last meeting. Agree any changes. Finalize. 0 mins Minutes Agenda TF Review agenda and adjust as needed. 5 mins Agenda Actions All Review status of actions from the previous meeting: - RIPE NCC to finalize and share draft CoC <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FPkKxS-wYMTxU5bPDtcFUG-YiufFSMTaLq4YHCW…> for publication. (done) - Leo to draft and share announcement <https://docs.google.com/document/d/11_yFznrdw6TAs40t2I8edRUjfWGho10q7f99gFo…> text for draft CoC. (done) 5 mins Status Publish? All Do we need further changes or can we publish the draft as-is (minus the editorial comments). 15 mins Decision Upcoming meeting All How do we want to structure our planning work for Documents 2 and 3? 15 Agenda items AOB All Any other business 5 mins - Actions NCC Review actions agreed during the meeting 5 mins Action list

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Reviewed Draft CoC - Updated Google Doc
by Antony Gollan 10 Feb '21

10 Feb '21

Dear TF members, I've reviewed the draft CoC and uploaded this as a separate document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FPkKxS-wYMTxU5bPDtcFUG-YiufFSMTaLq4YHCW… The attached doc shows what's changed for reference (I found this a little difficult in Google docs). Cheers Ant

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Re: [coc-tf] Code of Conduct Task Force
by Jordi Palet Martínez 10 Feb '21

10 Feb '21

I'm not sure right now, been too busy last weeks, what is the status of the AUP (or CoC) or what applies right now. I just sent an email to the list, excusing myself for having responded yesterday to the provocations. I think there are a couple of clear points here: 1) Nobody should reply to the list after provocations, that should be considered also a violation of the CoC. At least I should have got a warning for this yesterday. 2) Instead, the ones receiving the provocation should forward that to the chairs or responsible of applying the CoC. I recall I did that once during the Iceland meeting, as I got private nasty emails for a policy proposal under discussion. 3) Chairs of any WG should be exemplary and if not, the consequences of violation of the CoC, should be in a higher degree than for regular participants. I think this should also apply to ex-chairs, because they should have learned much better how to moderate themselves. Maybe the CoC should also allow for recalling them if they are still co-chairs. In fact, most of those points, are in my policy proposal for AUP in LACNIC. I think I mention it in a previous email exchange. I still didn't get the rationale for how a TF can exclude some participants. I think it is very important that this is crystal clear, not just for this case, but in the future. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 12/11/20 11:33, "Jordi Palet Martínez" <jordi.palet(a)theipv6company.com> escribió: Hi Niall, all, Well, this shows how you missed my points, and it is one of the major issues when dealing in email (which I learnt from the IETF sergeant-of-arms experience), with non-native English speakers. It shows also why the CoC-TF need to have people having different experiences and different "cultural backgrounds". I have seen very different interpretations from Mediterranean people, nordics, british, asian, middle-east, etc. See below in-line. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 10/11/20 20:09, "Niall O'Reilly" <niall.oreilly(a)ucd.ie> escribió: Jordi, On 10 Nov 2020, at 15:38, Jordi Palet Martínez wrote: > Hi Nick, > > I'm sorry, but I can't see anything in my email that requires an apologize. Can you tell me exactly what, and they if you're right I'm happy to do that? I think the following two examples should be sufficient. On 9 Nov 2020, at 16:51, Jordi Palet Martínez wrote: > I'm coping the RIPE Chair and Vice-chair, as this seems to me very strange and extremely ridiculous. Fortunately, I don't know how to say very bad words in English which I've in my mind right now in Spanish, otherwise, you will read all them. I read this as disrespectful. [Jordi] It is a clear irony, at least Mediterranean people will get like that. a) of course, I know bad words, I just don't want to use them, and if I didn't know them, google will help me - that's the clear irony - don't take now wrong, I think we need examples so you get it. I want to show my "extreme surprise" and how bad it seems to me when reading Leo email. I could have used at a minimum "WTF", but in Spanish I can think in more horrible expressions. b) the "extreme surprise" is about the fact that we have a close membership which (unless I missed that, still nobody provided me a document from the community showing it) seems unreasonable to me in a community that is always insisting in "openness, transparency, inclusivity, diversity, etc.". I always though it is that way, but having "closed" groups will radically change my mind in that. I think that was made clear in the rest of the email. IT IS NOT "bad words" about anyone, it is not I was pretending to insult or blame Leo or the CoCTF members. On 9 Nov 2020, at 16:51, Jordi Palet Martínez wrote: > I'm also going to talk to my lawyer about all this, in case it is a case of discrimination or other illegal actions, according to laws. I read this as a threat. [Jordi] No, it is a way to again express my surprise and my disagreement and that I've always the right to verify if this is right and otherwise to appeal to justice if I believe (I'm right or not) that I'm being discriminated in any way. [Jordi] I'm extremely sensible to law and rights. Some people may consider that a problem and I know that means I get people not happy with me, but I think is the right and honest way to be, not just for me, but for all. Many people complain, but they never take actions. I'm not that kind of guy, I take actions if I'm convinced, I should change something wrong. In Spanish we say "a barking dog seldom bites" - no me. If I believe something is wrong, I try to change it. Tks to that and to legal actions that I took several times against the Spanish government/institutions, even in the Constitutional courts, I succeeded to change broken things in law for everyone, for example the fact that all the political parties were getting all the citizens personal data for sending advertising and there was no way to avoid that, as the ministry of interior responded to me when I asked to retract my data from those databases "unless you're a politician or threatened with death". Now everybody can decide if they want their data sent to the parties or not. [Jordi] Take it on the other direction. I could think "they are telling me if I don't apologize and shut up, they will take actions against me" when you said: "I expect to see your apology later today. I respectfully suggest that you reflect on your “deep experience in many abuse situations” and consider what consequences usually and normally follow from posting messages which are obstructive, which waste time, and which contain disrespectful and threatening language." I may review your nine-point catalogue of challenges when this is convenient for me. I do not intend to be drawn into a correspondence where it seems that I must expect every incoming message to have the characteristics of an aggressive amplification attack. Kind regards, Niall O’Reilly RIPE Vice-Chair ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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Draft announcement including proposal on report handling goal
by Leo Vegoda 03 Feb '21

03 Feb '21

Dear TF, At our last meeting we agreed to discuss whether to move the report handling goal from the CoC document into the Process document, as the CoC document now only describes scope and behaviour. To make the discussion as efficient as possible, I have included a statement that we have removed that goal in a draft announcement to the community: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11_yFznrdw6TAs40t2I8edRUjfWGho10q7f99gFo… I'd be grateful for feedback on whether we should keep it, or not. I'd also welcome improvements for this draft announcement. Thanks, Leo

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Fwd: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on the AFRINIC Mailing Lists Terms of Use
by Leo Vegoda 02 Feb '21

02 Feb '21

Dear TF, Earlier today, AFRINIC shared the message below about updating the terms of use for its mailing lists. Interestingly, the announcement states that "AFRINIC has been working on a plan of actions that will allow for verification and authentication of users of its mailing lists." That sentence could have several meanings but it sounds like quite a challenge. This will be an interesting consultation to observe. Kind regards, Leo ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: AFRINIC Communication <comms(a)afrinic.net> Date: Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:20 AM Subject: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on the AFRINIC Mailing Lists Terms of Use To: <community-discuss(a)afrinic.net> Dear colleagues, AFRINIC acts as the secretariat and facilitator to support community discussions and the policy development process. To deliver on this mandate, AFRINIC provides a number of inclusive, transparent and open platforms that include public meetings and mailing lists. Following complaints received from several community members on the virulence of exchanges on AFRINIC mailing lists and the growing number of one-off posts from incognito aliases that the community dubbed as “Internet trolls”, we published a blog in September 2020 on the Code of Conduct. https://afrinic.net/20200903-code-of-conduct Unfortunately, that did not act as a deterrent and consequently, the subscription of one subscriber to our Community mailing list was revoked following previous warning issued to the latter. (https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2020-October/003736.h…) We are also awaiting the feedback from the Governance Committee pertaining to two requests made by the AFRINIC CEO in August 2020: - Violation of Code of Conduct on Community mailing list [https://afrinic.net/govcom/request#GC2020.04] - Code of Conduct Review [https://afrinic.net/govcom/request#GC2020.05] In the meantime, however, AFRINIC has been working on a plan of actions that will allow for verification and authentication of users of its mailing lists in our effort to safeguard the community from being subject to inappropriate behaviours. As a first step, we have developed a new set of AFRINIC Mailing Lists Terms of Use that will govern one’s subscription to AFRINIC mailing lists. https://afrinic.net/20210202-afrinic-mailinglists-terms-of-use In this respect, we hereby invite you to provide us with your valuable feedback on the aforesaid AFRINIC Mailing Lists Terms of Use in the comments section of the page (https://afrinic.net/20210202-afrinic-mailinglists-terms-of-use) We look forward to receiving your feedback by 28 February 2021. AFRINIC shall consider your input and thereafter, take such actions as it may deem appropriate. Ashil Oogarah On behalf of the AFRINIC Communications and PR Team _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss(a)afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

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Follow-up on last week's meeting: date of next meeting
by Leo Vegoda 26 Jan '21

26 Jan '21

Hi, One administrative matter discussed last week was whether we would be meeting on 5 February. I checked the list archive and we agreed to cut the meeting that would have taken place. There is currently a meeting invitation for 5 February. I think we can cancel that occurrence. Kind regards, Leo

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