Fw: [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01
Sorry I hit reply instead of reply-all... ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk" <ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk> To: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> Sent: Friday, 11 March 2016, 17:06 Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01 Hi Sander I was not making any decision just expressing an opinion just as Elvis expressed his opinion on my implementation :) cheersdenis From: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> To: denis <ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Database WG <db-wg@ripe.net>; "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Friday, 11 March 2016, 16:54 Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01 Hello Denis,
Sorry Elvis but you are neither a software engineer nor a regular user inputting data into the RIPE Database. So your unsubstantiated statement of 'poor' does not carry much weight.
Excuse me, but you do not get to decide that a fellow working group member's contribution does not carry much weight. That is the working group chairs' job when deciding on consensus, and from experience I know that even the chairs only do that in very rare circumstances. Consensus is based on content and supporting arguments, not on whether you judge somebody worthy... Cheers, Sander
There is a difference and I think, as has been pointed out, that the discussion is veering a little too much into ad hominem. So please, everyone, as always, robust discussion, but please discuss the topic, not people. Thanks all. Brian Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 fax: +35316603666 web: http://www.heanet.ie/ On 11/03/2016 16:10, ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Sorry I hit reply instead of reply-all...
----- Forwarded Message ----- *From:* "ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk" <ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk> *To:* Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> *Sent:* Friday, 11 March 2016, 17:06 *Subject:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01
Hi Sander
I was not making any decision just expressing an opinion just as Elvis expressed his opinion on my implementation :)
cheers denis
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> *To:* denis <ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk> *Cc:* Database WG <db-wg@ripe.net>; "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> *Sent:* Friday, 11 March 2016, 16:54 *Subject:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01
Hello Denis,
Sorry Elvis but you are neither a software engineer nor a regular user inputting data into the RIPE Database. So your unsubstantiated statement of 'poor' does not carry much weight.
Excuse me, but you do not get to decide that a fellow working group member's contribution does not carry much weight. That is the working group chairs' job when deciding on consensus, and from experience I know that even the chairs only do that in very rare circumstances. Consensus is based on content and supporting arguments, not on whether you judge somebody worthy...
Cheers, Sander
Sorry Elvis but you are neither a software engineer nor a regular user inputting data into the RIPE Database. So your unsubstantiated statement of 'poor' does not carry much weight. I was not making any decision just expressing an opinion just as Elvis expressed his opinion on my implementation :)
your opinion was of elvis not his position. this is called ad homina, which you seem to repeat
HI Randy My last comment on this thread (probably).... The position he stated was not conducive with his experience. He offered no supporting arguments, just an emotive comment that was highly critical of something I developed. It is like me saying the development of a market for selling IP addresses is poor. Does that statement from me carry any weight? As the developer of what he claimed to be poor, I think I had the right to point this out. But as Brian said this is way of the topic now of adding abuse-c to legacy resources. So I won't make any more comments about the design of abuse-c in this thread. I did say long ago in this discussion that the technical aspects of abuse-c should be the subject of another discussion. But people just kept coming back with arguments against it. I wish some of you would put as much effort into constructive discussions about the more serious technical issues of the database (including the route object issue and the data model) as you do into either condemning me or blanking me out. The clear and obvious refusal by the very small, unrepresentative group of people on these mailing lists to even engage in any kind of discussion on an important issue I have raised many times will not do this community or the RIR system any good in the long term. cheersdenis From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> To: ripedenis@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Database WG <db-wg@ripe.net>; "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2016, 2:53 Subject: Re: [db-wg] Fw: [anti-abuse-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01
Sorry Elvis but you are neither a software engineer nor a regular user inputting data into the RIPE Database. So your unsubstantiated statement of 'poor' does not carry much weight. I was not making any decision just expressing an opinion just as Elvis expressed his opinion on my implementation :)
your opinion was of elvis not his position. this is called ad homina, which you seem to repeat
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