Volker wrote:

Can we tone down the rhetoric and stop accusing each other of criminal activity (which in itself may be libel and therefore a criminal act).

Volker, do as the others do, use a crystal ball instead of trying to guess - "maybe" "if" or, talk to your colleague Ralf Ramm of your KS teamabuse about our message exchange from 14 to 28-08-2015. It's a small example of how the bad ISPs act. See the proof of the crime and see the falsehood and complicity of your teamabuse. And stop guessing or someone can call you an accomplice.

If you have evidence of criminal activities, report them to the appropriate authorities. I did that. I forwarded a dossier to DIG-DEIC - 4th Precinct - Crimes practiced by Electronic Media - 4dp.dig.deic@policiacivil.sp.gov.br reporting misrepresentation, swindle and criminal conspiracy. With evidence. Read again! WITH EVIDENCE. The scammer was born and lives in Brazil. But his accomplice, owner of Hetzner.de, was born and lives in Germany. This one is out of reach. Access the authorities of other countries and see what is the guidance for non-native denouncer. And stop talking nonsense. Criminals will be convicted. If there is no conviction, there probably is no crime but only hyperbole. Mamma mia! You've distorted everything. For there to be conviction there must be a crime. If there is no crime, probably there is no conviction. Can a native help us about the word conviction? Hyperbole? Exaggerated statements? For 18 months, 18 MONTHS, I reported a same criminal customer to YOUR COLLEAGUE, with evidence. For each complaint the teamabuse of YOUR COLLEAGUE replied that the IP was suspended. And in the next day the customer of YOUR COLLEAGUE was sending scam with a new IP. I denounced a client by name, Marcos Antonio Hora da Silva, and YOUR COLLEAGUE suspended an IP as if an IP could commit a crime. It is a lot of disrespect, excess of mockery, excess of arrogance, excess of abuse that need to be punished. And the possible punishment is to properly qualify them using the adjectives that best explain their actions. And mass dissemination to the whole world. Hyperbole?! Marilson

From: anti-abuse-wg-request@ripe.net Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:00 AM To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 67, Issue 1 Send anti-abuse-wg mailing list submissions to anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to anti-abuse-wg-request@ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at anti-abuse-wg-owner@ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of anti-abuse-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Recent List Discussion (Volker Greimann) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 12:50:03 +0200 From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Recent List Discussion Message-ID: <940b1104-a1cb-4672-bb8b-b96d649357c1@key-systems.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Can we tone down the rhetoric and stop accusing each other of criminal activity (which in itself may be libel and therefore a criminal act). If you have evidence of criminal activities, report them to the appropriate authorities. Criminals will be convicted. If there is no conviction, there probably is no crime but only hyperbole. This has gone far enough. Best, Volker Am 31.05.2017 um 03:12 schrieb Marilson:

Brian, Please read this very carefully. There is no place on the World for people like you and your criminal partners, ISP owner. This is a list to discuss how to protect network abuse. Please consider your contributions to the list very carefully. You are not acting in the spirit of the Europe community nor are you providing useful content for good people, for honest people. Neither you nor the other members of the Pro-Abuse Working Group of R.O.T.T.E.N., ex-RIPE, with rare exceptions. I do not wish to have to take further action, ahhh I want to, and this email should be taken as a warning that if you continue to act as you have done until today, that action will be taken. You will have to explain why you are scandalized by words like bullshit - Nazi - criminal, but tolerate Nazi and criminal behavior of customer. Oh yeah, you're not police and customer behavior is not your responsibility, right? Nor reporting crimes is your responsibility, right? Your arguments do not hold. In the face of the gravity of the acts, your arguments are a joke. Surely that will not result in short term moderation of your behavior, but, regrettably, if necessary I will have to look at further steps such as to show that your anti-abuse is a joke of bad taste. Now, prove that you also do not tolerate the contradictory banning me. :))))) Marilson *From:* Brian Nisbet <mailto:brian.nisbet@heanet.ie> *Sent:* Monday, May 29, 2017 10:26 AM *To:* Marilson <mailto:marilson.mapa@gmail.com> *Cc:* Tobias Knecht <mailto:tk@abusix.com> *Subject:* Recent List Discussion Marilson,

As I said on list and I have said before there is no place on the mailing list for ad hominem attacks, personal insults or accusations (really of any sort). This is a list to discuss how to deal with network abuse. It is not here for you to act in the way you have acted today.

Please consider your contributions to the list very carefully. You are not acting in the spirit of the RIPE community nor are you providing useful content for the other members of the Anti-Abuse Working Group.

I do not wish to have to take further action, but this email should be taken as a warning that if your posts continue to have the content they had today, that action will be taken. At the very least that will result in short term moderation of your posts, but, regrettably, if necessary we will have to look at further steps such as removal from the list.

Brian Co-Chair, RIPE Anti-Abuse WG

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