VOTE: members and RIPE region only
Hi, I also like to start a vote, that this mailing list is only open for RIPE members or people from the RIPE region. Members could be proofed easily and for the RIPE region I would count on sender email addresses with a TLD from the RIPE region and a mailserver that has an RIPE IP address. Please vote know ... -- Kind regards, Frank -- PHADE Software - PowerWeb http://www.powerweb.de Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast mailto:frank@powerweb.de Schinkelstrasse 17 fon: +49 33200 52920 14558 Nuthetal OT Rehbruecke, Germany fax: +49 33200 52921 ====================================================================== Public PGP Key available for frank@powerweb.de
On 9 Aug 2011, at 13:30, Frank Gadegast wrote:
Hi,
I also like to start a vote, that this mailing list is only open for RIPE members or people from the RIPE region.
Um ok ..
Members could be proofed easily and for the RIPE region I would count on sender email addresses with a TLD from the RIPE region and a mailserver that has an RIPE IP address.
That won't work I can be in the RIPE region using a .whatever and send my mail via China if I want to ..
Please vote know ... --
Kind regards, Frank -- PHADE Software - PowerWeb http://www.powerweb.de Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast mailto:frank@powerweb.de Schinkelstrasse 17 fon: +49 33200 52920 14558 Nuthetal OT Rehbruecke, Germany fax: +49 33200 52921 ====================================================================== Public PGP Key available for frank@powerweb.de
Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.mobi/ http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 UK: 0844 484 9361 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
On 8/9/11 2:30 PM, Frank Gadegast wrote:
Hi,
I also like to start a vote, that this mailing list is only open for RIPE members or people from the RIPE region.
Members could be proofed easily and for the RIPE region I would count on sender email addresses with a TLD from the RIPE region and a mailserver that has an RIPE IP address.
Please vote know ...
I'm absolutely against this one, sorry. -- # Emanuele Balla # # # System & Network Engineer # # # Spin s.r.l. - AS6734 # Phone: +39 040 9869090 # # Trieste # Email: balla@staff.spin.it #
Moin, on 2011-08-09 at 14:30:29 CEST, Frank Gadegast wrote:
Hi,
I also like to start a vote, that this mailing list is only open for RIPE members or people from the RIPE region.
Members could be proofed easily and for the RIPE region I would count on sender email addresses with a TLD from the RIPE region and a mailserver that has an RIPE IP address.
Please vote know ...
First of all, I don't think that a mailing list is a feasible solution for votings. Such things should be done on services like doodle.com. Second: Your vote topic is also not feasable because it does only hit the innocent. You would block RIPE region users using freemailers like gmail.com and hotmail.com and you would allow non-RIPE region users using freemailers like web.de and freenet.de So: far from "proofed easily". Mit freundlichen Grüßen Frank Altpeter -- FA-RIPE || http://www.altpeter.de/ || http://gplus.to/frank42 | The best cure for insomnia is to get a lot of sleep. -W.C. Fields
Frank, "Frank Gadegast" wrote the following on 09/08/2011 13:30:
Hi,
I also like to start a vote, that this mailing list is only open for RIPE members or people from the RIPE region.
Members could be proofed easily and for the RIPE region I would count on sender email addresses with a TLD from the RIPE region and a mailserver that has an RIPE IP address.
This mailing list, just like the RIPE meetings, is part of the RIPE community and, as such, open to everyone. I'm not sure if you are being serious or sarcastic, to be honest, but I wanted to make that very plain indeed. Regards, Brian, Co-chair, RIPE AA-WG
Brian Nisbet wrote:
Frank,
"Frank Gadegast" wrote the following on 09/08/2011 13:30:
Hi,
I also like to start a vote, that this mailing list is only open for RIPE members or people from the RIPE region.
Members could be proofed easily and for the RIPE region I would count on sender email addresses with a TLD from the RIPE region and a mailserver that has an RIPE IP address.
This mailing list, just like the RIPE meetings, is part of the RIPE community and, as such, open to everyone. I'm not sure if you are being serious or sarcastic, to be honest, but I wanted to make that very plain indeed.
Thats a basic question: why should anybody not associated with the RIPE region be part of the RIPE community ? A cannot vote in the Nederlands or influence the politics or law processes there, if Im not a legal entity in the Nederlands.
Regards,
Brian, Co-chair, RIPE AA-WG
Kind regards, Frank -- PHADE Software - PowerWeb http://www.powerweb.de Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast mailto:frank@powerweb.de Schinkelstrasse 17 fon: +49 33200 52920 14558 Nuthetal OT Rehbruecke, Germany fax: +49 33200 52921 ====================================================================== Public PGP Key available for frank@powerweb.de
why should anybody not associated with the RIPE region be part of the RIPE community ?
Because we (abusix) for example have proposed policies to APNIC and AfriNIC. These policies are now in place and help solving problems worldwide. I guess that is reason enough.
A cannot vote in the Nederlands or influence the politics or law processes there, if Im not a legal entity in the Nederlands.
Isn't the internet a cool place? ;-) Tobias
On 09/08/11 13:49, Frank Gadegast wrote:
Thats a basic question: why should anybody not associated with the RIPE region be part of the RIPE community ?
Possibly because abuse is a world wide issue, and having input from people in other regions under other RIRs is no bad thing? RIPE doesn't exist in a vacuum. Niall. -- Niall Donegan ---------------- http://www.blacknight.com Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A, Barrowside Business Park, Sleaty Road, Graiguecullen, Carlow, Ireland Company No.: 370845
On 9 Aug 2011, at 13:49, Frank Gadegast wrote:
Brian Nisbet wrote:
Frank,
"Frank Gadegast" wrote the following on 09/08/2011 13:30:
Hi,
I also like to start a vote, that this mailing list is only open for RIPE members or people from the RIPE region.
Members could be proofed easily and for the RIPE region I would count on sender email addresses with a TLD from the RIPE region and a mailserver that has an RIPE IP address.
This mailing list, just like the RIPE meetings, is part of the RIPE community and, as such, open to everyone. I'm not sure if you are being serious or sarcastic, to be honest, but I wanted to make that very plain indeed.
Thats a basic question: why should anybody not associated with the RIPE region be part of the RIPE community ?
The internet is global I'm involved in a lot of regional mailing lists for regions that I don't live in and I don't ever need to justify myself
A cannot vote in the Nederlands or influence the politics or law processes there, if Im not a legal entity in the Nederlands.
That's not true. You're an EU citizen :) EU law is binding in both jurisdictions .. (sorry - you chose the analogy)
Regards,
Brian, Co-chair, RIPE AA-WG
Kind regards, Frank -- PHADE Software - PowerWeb http://www.powerweb.de Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast mailto:frank@powerweb.de Schinkelstrasse 17 fon: +49 33200 52920 14558 Nuthetal OT Rehbruecke, Germany fax: +49 33200 52921 ====================================================================== Public PGP Key available for frank@powerweb.de
Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.mobi/ http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 UK: 0844 484 9361 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
On 08/09/2011 03:30 PM, Frank Gadegast wrote:
Hi,
I also like to start a vote, that this mailing list is only open for RIPE members or people from the RIPE region.
Why would you want to do something like that?
Members could be proofed easily and for the RIPE region I would count on sender email addresses with a TLD from the RIPE region and a mailserver that has an RIPE IP address.
Please vote know ...
I think the list should remain open to all interested people and parties. Useful contributions could come from anywhere. Regards, Kostas
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Frank Gadegast < ripe-anti-spam-wg@powerweb.de> wrote:
I also like to start a vote, that this mailing list is only open for RIPE members or people from the RIPE region.
From the gut feeling I would vote "no", but i would be interested in
hearing why you think this restriction would be a good idea? Btw: I have no idea from which server on which continent my email pops out of Google network. Same applies to some of the other systems/addresses I use, so what you propose as how to limit the user group is very inaccurate indeed. To restrict the user community the way you propose requires manual verification, and wouldn't be very accurate even then. -- Mr. Esa Laitinen Tel. +41 76 200 2870 skype/yahoo: reunaesa Blog: http://happiloppuuahistaa.blogspot.com
participants (9)
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Brian Nisbet -
Emanuele Balla -
Esa Laitinen -
Frank Altpeter -
Frank Gadegast -
Kostas Zorbadelos -
Michele Neylon :: Blacknight -
Niall Donegan -
Tobias Knecht