Re: [anti-abuse-wg] DNS Abuse, Abuse of Privacy & Legitimizing Criminal Activity
Andre, On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:43 PM, ox <andre@ox.co.za> wrote:
On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, ox <andre@ox.co.za> wrote:
When respected Internet Engineers and organizations develop standards for Internet software that completely ignores ethics, morality, honesty and is pale and anemic in the truth department?
You've developed quite the messianic complex here.
You do not say why this is not true. or not factual. or not correct.
Because empirically, Internet Engineers (whoever they may be) and organizations document protocols and bit patterns expressed across wires. These protocols are tools that are neutral in terms of ethics, morality, and honesty. How those tools are used and by whom is what results in whether that are ethical, moral, or honest. You are blaming the tool for the (presumed) failings of it users. However, in this context, you presume to know The Truth. Such certainty must be quite reassuring.
Yow. RPZ is a tool. You don't like that tool? Don't use it. You care about the "truth"? Do your own DNSSEC validation. Sure, there are many tools, hacker tools, 0day scripts (for kidd1eS)
If you cannot tell the difference between a tool I choose to deploy to protect myself and the users I am responsible for (who can also opt out if they so choose) and a tool that allows me to attack external users, I doubt continued discussion is worthwhile.
Why do you not discuss the real issues?
As far as I can tell, you have not identified any real issue, either here or on DNSOP. You have, like religious preachers, declared your view on ethics, morality, honesty, and truth, as axiomatic but not discussed real issues that affect the development of tools to help reduce abuse (relevant to this list) or the implementation of the protocol (relevant to DNSOP). When you do so, perhaps then there might be a discussion.
The truth is: I do not have a messianic complex
It appears the truth is you believe you know The Truth.
The truth is, very obviously, you do not care about the truth :)
If you say so, it must be true. Regards, -drc (speaking only for myself)
On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 23:05:07 -0800 David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote:
Andre, On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:43 PM, ox <andre@ox.co.za> wrote:
On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, ox <andre@ox.co.za> wrote:
When respected Internet Engineers and organizations develop standards for Internet software that completely ignores ethics, morality, honesty and is pale and anemic in the truth department?
You've developed quite the messianic complex here.
You do not say why this is not true. or not factual. or not correct.
Because empirically, Internet Engineers (whoever they may be) and organizations document protocols and bit patterns expressed across wires. These protocols are tools that are neutral in terms of ethics, morality, and honesty. How those tools are used and by whom is what results in whether that are ethical, moral, or honest. You are blaming the tool for the (presumed) failings of it users. However, in this context, you presume to know The Truth. Such certainty must be quite reassuring.
Your comments in your entire reply, is the same. Let me place your own argument, in context, for yourself: Your argument is that someone making a nuclear weapon is not responsible for the use of a nuclear weapon. Yes, I do know my truth. I know my own ethics. I know my own morality. I know myself. I know right from wrong, if you want to make this about my own ethics. I would venture that I am not alone in my understanding of what is good and what is evil. Let me try to help you with that, as you seem to have a real problem: It is always wrong to lie. it is wrong to hide the truth of your lies (deception/falsehood) It is EVIL to declare that as "normal" behavior It is EVIL to support lies, falsehoods and suppression of knowledge. hth Andre
Yow. RPZ is a tool. You don't like that tool? Don't use it. You care about the "truth"? Do your own DNSSEC validation. Sure, there are many tools, hacker tools, 0day scripts (for kidd1eS)
If you cannot tell the difference between a tool I choose to deploy to protect myself and the users I am responsible for (who can also opt out if they so choose) and a tool that allows me to attack external users, I doubt continued discussion is worthwhile.
Why do you not discuss the real issues?
As far as I can tell, you have not identified any real issue, either here or on DNSOP. You have, like religious preachers, declared your view on ethics, morality, honesty, and truth, as axiomatic but not discussed real issues that affect the development of tools to help reduce abuse (relevant to this list) or the implementation of the protocol (relevant to DNSOP). When you do so, perhaps then there might be a discussion.
The truth is: I do not have a messianic complex
It appears the truth is you believe you know The Truth.
The truth is, very obviously, you do not care about the truth :)
If you say so, it must be true.
Regards, -drc (speaking only for myself)
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