Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2011-06 New Policy Proposal (Abuse Contact Management in the RIPE NCC Database)
It states "The syntax will make this an optional attribute". We are dealing with inconsistent records even making it mandatory in the APNIC region. How would it help? or I didn't understand properly, can anyone elaborate? Regards, Aftab A. Siddiqui On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Emilio Madaio <emadaio@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
A new RIPE Policy Proposal has been made and is now available for discussion.
You can find the full proposal at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2011-06
We encourage you to review this proposal and send your comments to <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> before 21 December 2011.
Regards
Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC
Yes, I noticed that one too. It's followed by '...but business rules will require it to be included in (...) RIPE, PI and AS assignments'. A few starting remarks to fire up the discussion: - The PA ranges are not included in this range; I heavily suspect however that in the PA allocations the problem with incorrect/unreachable abuse details is by far the largest (think shady LIRs subdelegating IP space. A very common business model). This policy should make an effort to try to touch the PA IP space too. - A reference to, or a summary of the document containing the 'business rules' would help clarify the exact requirements. - As mentioned before, what in case of non-compliance? The policy should state, or reference to, that too. Pepijn Van: anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net] Namens Aftab Siddiqui Verzonden: donderdag 24 november 2011 7:59 Aan: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Onderwerp: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2011-06 New Policy Proposal (Abuse Contact Management in the RIPE NCC Database) It states "The syntax will make this an optional attribute". We are dealing with inconsistent records even making it mandatory in the APNIC region. How would it help? or I didn't understand properly, can anyone elaborate? Regards, Aftab A. Siddiqui On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Emilio Madaio <emadaio@ripe.net<mailto:emadaio@ripe.net>> wrote: Dear Colleagues, A new RIPE Policy Proposal has been made and is now available for discussion. You can find the full proposal at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2011-06 We encourage you to review this proposal and send your comments to <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>> before 21 December 2011. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Disclaimer Dit e-mailbericht kan vertrouwelijke informatie bevatten of informatie die is beschermd door een beroepsgeheim. Indien dit bericht niet voor u is bestemd, wijzen wij u erop dat elke vorm van verspreiding, vermenigvuldiging of ander gebruik ervan niet is toegestaan. Indien dit bericht blijkbaar bij vergissing bij u terecht is gekomen, verzoeken wij u ons daarvan direct op de hoogte te stellen via tel.nr 070 315 3500 of e-mail mailto:mail@opta.nl en het bericht te vernietigen. Dit e-mailbericht is uitsluitend gecontroleerd op virussen. OPTA aanvaardt geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor de feitelijke inhoud en juistheid van dit bericht en er kunnen geen rechten aan worden ontleend. This e-mail message may contain confidential information or information protected by professional privilege. If it is not intended for you, you should be aware that any distribution, copying or other form of use of this message is not permitted. If it has apparently reached you by mistake, we urge you to notify us by phone +31 70 315 3500 or e-mail mailto:mail@opta.nl and destroy the message immediately. This e-mail message has only been checked for viruses. The accuracy, relevance, timeliness or completeness of the information provided cannot be guaranteed. OPTA expressly disclaims any responsibility in relation to the information in this e-mail message. No rights can be derived from this message.
- The PA ranges are not included in this range; I heavily suspect however that in the PA allocations the problem with incorrect/unreachable abuse details is by far the largest (think shady LIRs subdelegating IP space. A very common business model). This policy should make an effort to try to touch the PA IP space too.
Right. That is on intention. The request was to have at least on contact for every ip address. We do not want to force every single range to publish the data. The hierarchy will always take the most recent contact information.
- A reference to, or a summary of the document containing the ‘business rules’ would help clarify the exact requirements.
I tried to explain it in another thread today. At the end the business rule will be responsible to check if an abuse-maibox attribute is set and if yes, the object can be used as abuse-c and if not, it can not be used for an abuse-c. The whole business rule idea, gives us the opportunity to stay within this model for whatever will show up in future.
- As mentioned before, what in case of non-compliance? The policy should state, or reference to, that too.
The RIPE NCC process will start and RIPE tries to solve the issue with the member. If there is no cooperation, this can go down until the deregistration. Thanks, Tobias -- abusix
Hi,
It states "The syntax will make this an optional attribute". We are dealing with inconsistent records even making it mandatory in the APNIC region. How would it help? or I didn't understand properly, can anyone elaborate?
The syntax will make this an optional attribute means that you do not need it, but it will be required for the abuse-c You have a personal obejct which you use for tech-c and admin-c. Today you add an optional abuse-mailbox attribute to your object and it will show up twice while querying. In future it would be like this. If you want to use the same personal object for the abuse-c, the abuse-mailbox attribute will be optional for the personal object, but you would need it to link it with an abuse-c. So, yes it is optional for the object itself, but if you want to use the object for abuse-c you have to have it. Thanks, Tobias -- abusix
Regards,
Aftab A. Siddiqui
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Emilio Madaio <emadaio@ripe.net <mailto:emadaio@ripe.net>> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
A new RIPE Policy Proposal has been made and is now available for discussion.
You can find the full proposal at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2011-06
We encourage you to review this proposal and send your comments to <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>> before 21 December 2011.
Regards
Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC
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Aftab Siddiqui -
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Vissers, Pepijn