Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse - preamble
On 08/25/2016 03:36 PM, ox wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:28:58 +0200 Gunther Nitzsche <gnitzsche@netcologne.de> wrote:
On 08/25/2016 02:38 PM, ox wrote:
Get it yet?
No. Sorry. :-( okay, I will try to explain it better :)
Normal bitcoin mining abuse = You --> CPU
Anyway, Internet abuse same principle One resource --> another resource
Get it now? I know what you mean, but I don't follow you here. I do not want this restriction and cannot see one reason why you insist on this.
"If you use my server to do something. " Stop. I do not need "another resource". I wonder what arguments you have against my suggestion of wording.
I even doubt that the anti-abuse-working-group is limited to network based abuse. Entering wrong registration data (let's say by FAX) could also be covered by this group though it is not a network based abuse.
wrong registration data by fax - is not Internet abuse (doubtful if it even normal or just abuse...)
First: I do not know why you also insist on "internet abuse" - I did not see any mention of this restriction in the existing charter of this group Second: It might very well turn into "Internet abuse" i.e. when it comes to find out sources of (other) abuse related actions. If the whois-record is wrong, one could identify this registration fake as abuse. (the severity might vary) So it might be a good idea to have this issue on topic right from the beginning. In your definition a registration fake is no abuse because only one resource is involved *and* because it did not happen via the internet; in my definition it is and it belongs to the topics of this group. We can setup a doodle for this :) As long as we don't hear other opinions on this I step back again .. best greetings, Gunther
No artificial restrictions please; they might hurt us later on.
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 16:20:03 +0200 Gunther Nitzsche <gnitzsche@netcologne.de> wrote:
On 08/25/2016 03:36 PM, ox wrote:
On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:28:58 +0200 Gunther Nitzsche <gnitzsche@netcologne.de> wrote:
On 08/25/2016 02:38 PM, ox wrote:
Get it yet? No. Sorry. :-( okay, I will try to explain it better :) Normal bitcoin mining abuse = You --> CPU Anyway, Internet abuse same principle One resource --> another resource Get it now? I know what you mean, but I don't follow you here. I do not want this restriction and cannot see one reason why you insist on this.
Because we use words to communicate. If you think a donkey is a cat and I think a donkey is a cow then we will both be talking about a donkey and both be very happy that the hair on the donkey has stopped falling out But when we start talking about eating the donkey, we may have different reactions... So, when you are talking about abuse - it is abuse and we both, me and you, need to understand what the word means and we also have to understand what it pertains to and how it is used.
"If you use my server to do something. " Stop. I do not need "another resource". I wonder what arguments you have against my suggestion of wording.
I did not reply to this, as it will involve me being somewhat direct but,
I have a serious problem with people when they disagree just to argue or for no real reason. This means that they have a different intent - or agenda - or something and it serves only to disrupt
I even doubt that the anti-abuse-working-group is limited to network based abuse. Entering wrong registration data (let's say by FAX) could also be covered by this group though it is not a network based abuse.
This is not an abuse group for battered men or battered women or abused animals.
It is a network abuse group. No, it is not an abuse group for people whose pc's has been stolen or abused in their homes. No, it is not an abuse group for old fax machines or faxing of fake documents to anyone or even for that matter faxing of documents to commit fraud. It is the RIPE Anti Abuse WG --- We discuss network abuse....
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