Cost-benefit of registering reassignments
Hi all, I found a (minor) black list who blocks my new IP. They say to not even try to ask for delisting unless I am the official owner of the IP. They observe that "rwhois/SWIP is normally offered free of charge by most providers". Sounds oldish, doesn't it? RDAP is working well, at least for numbers, and I see no reason to mention rwhois, SWIP is mentioned in a 1993 RFC[*] in the context of a move toward an "X.500 distributed database model". Where are we now? I see ARIN has relatively recent blogs on that.[†] My ISP says that registration is reserved to non-GPON "privileged fiber" whose costs start at around 10x ordinary fares. How much does RIPE charge for registering reassignments? Why isn't it possible for end-user to claim IP "ownership"? If the IP database were dependable, there wouldn't be so many site-verification TXT records in the DNS. I use RDAP to complain about network abuse, and the average response I get is that they passed the complaint to their customer. Some times ISPs make pressure on the customer to fix security leaks, so this seems good. In some other cases, ISPs ignore complaints, whereas the operator might have been interested. Alternatively, complaints might be sent in Cc: to national CERTs, LEAs, AbuseIPDB, and the like. Simple reassignments can be done without changing abuse-c. Does that still imply any responsibility? Best Ale -- [*] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1491#section-2.2.4.1 [†] https://www.arin.net/blog/2018/05/03/which-swip-type-is-right-for-you/
How big an IP allocation do you have? As an LIR we routinely assign blocks of IPs to clients with more than X IPs or blocks etc., and give them their own abuse-c etc., But we wouldn’t do it for a single IP. Though tbh it sounds more like an issue with the block list than anything to do with the IP address, your ISP or anyone else. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours. From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> Date: Wednesday, 19 April 2023 at 11:24 To: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] Cost-benefit of registering reassignments [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Hi all, I found a (minor) black list who blocks my new IP. They say to not even try to ask for delisting unless I am the official owner of the IP. They observe that "rwhois/SWIP is normally offered free of charge by most providers". Sounds oldish, doesn't it? RDAP is working well, at least for numbers, and I see no reason to mention rwhois, SWIP is mentioned in a 1993 RFC[*] in the context of a move toward an "X.500 distributed database model". Where are we now? I see ARIN has relatively recent blogs on that.[†] My ISP says that registration is reserved to non-GPON "privileged fiber" whose costs start at around 10x ordinary fares. How much does RIPE charge for registering reassignments? Why isn't it possible for end-user to claim IP "ownership"? If the IP database were dependable, there wouldn't be so many site-verification TXT records in the DNS. I use RDAP to complain about network abuse, and the average response I get is that they passed the complaint to their customer. Some times ISPs make pressure on the customer to fix security leaks, so this seems good. In some other cases, ISPs ignore complaints, whereas the operator might have been interested. Alternatively, complaints might be sent in Cc: to national CERTs, LEAs, AbuseIPDB, and the like. Simple reassignments can be done without changing abuse-c. Does that still imply any responsibility? Best Ale -- [*] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1491#section-2.2.4.1 [†] https://www.arin.net/blog/2018/05/03/which-swip-type-is-right-for-you/ -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg
On Wed 19/Apr/2023 15:39:48 +0200 Michele Neylon - Blacknight via anti-abuse-wg wrote:
How big an IP allocation do you have?
/29, which I think is the minimum size.
As an LIR we routinely assign blocks of IPs to clients with more than X IPs or blocks etc., and give them their own abuse-c etc.,
What's X? And doesn't that depend on the kind of link (PON, DSL, P2P)?
But we wouldn’t do it for a single IP.
Though tbh it sounds more like an issue with the block list than anything to do with the IP address, your ISP or anyone else.
MIPSpace.com. They're ID 595 in Valli's multirbl list, but they're not tested when you run the lookup. Best Ale --
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