Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Need policy to require abuse contacts to accept abuse reports
I thank Brian Nisbet for having replied:
Policies can be proposed by anyone and they are considered on merit, not on the occupation of the proposer.
However such a policy must actually be written and put to the working group. If you are not able to do this, who is? The WG Chairs and the RIPE NCC are able to help with the drafting of a policy.
Laurens Hoogendoorn, RIPE NCC IP resource analyst, suggested that I address this issue on this anti-abuse mailinglist. I did so. If Laurens Hoogendoorn cannot put the issue to the working group, I should not waste any further time.
However I must warn you that historically such policies have not been met with great acceptance by the community.
The way it looks from my position as ordinary spam victim, it looks like RIPE formerly had no policy at all requiring ISPs to register an abuse contact address or to prohibit untruthful information (such as a famous ISP registered in the country Republik Cyberbunker), and it looks like RIPE made some degree of improvement in this policy. But if the community really still favours spammers, I'm sorry I wasted your time too. Yours sincerely, Norman Diamond
Norman If you’d like to propose the policy then it would be discussed etc., What Brian was trying to do was to help set your expectations. Also bear in mind that RIPE policy may not be the only way to address your concerns and issues, though in the case of *some* actors blocking their entire network seems to be about the only sane solution. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blacknight.blog/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social Random Stuff: http://michele.irish ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
Norman, On 20/09/2016 23:49, Norman Diamond wrote:
I thank Brian Nisbet for having replied:
Policies can be proposed by anyone and they are considered on merit, not on the occupation of the proposer.
However such a policy must actually be written and put to the working group. If you are not able to do this, who is? The WG Chairs and the RIPE NCC are able to help with the drafting of a policy.
Laurens Hoogendoorn, RIPE NCC IP resource analyst, suggested that I address this issue on this anti-abuse mailinglist. I did so. If Laurens Hoogendoorn cannot put the issue to the working group, I should not waste any further time.
There are political considerations here. Generally the NCC, which is a distinct legal entity, rather than the loose collection of souls that make up the RIPE community, prefer that their employees to not directly propose policies. Hence the suggestion that a community member do so.
However I must warn you that historically such policies have not been met with great acceptance by the community.
The way it looks from my position as ordinary spam victim, it looks like RIPE formerly had no policy at all requiring ISPs to register an abuse contact address or to prohibit untruthful information (such as a famous ISP registered in the country Republik Cyberbunker), and it looks like RIPE made some degree of improvement in this policy. But if the community really still favours spammers, I'm sorry I wasted your time too.
I would argue the community does not favour spammers (although I know there are others who would say otherwise). However there are many other considerations that must be considered, which only come out during debate and discussion around such policies. As Michele said, I was trying to set expectations. Again, if you would like to proceed, I and the NCC would be very happy to help. Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager HEAnet Limited, Ireland's Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1 Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel: +35316609040 fax: +35316603666 web: http://www.heanet.ie/
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Norman Diamond