Just a brief point. I previously noted here that RIPE's rules requiring unanimity or near unanimity in order to declare "consensus" with respect to any given proposal has recently been recognized, by some EU politicians at least, as being a material impediment to forward movement on various issues. I only just noted that this growing sentiment has now apparently extended even to the Chancellor of Germany: https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1538637496124317704 My hope, of course, is that RIPE and its various WGs are taking notes. Regards, rfg
Hi, On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 11:20:51PM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
Just a brief point. I previously noted here that RIPE's rules requiring unanimity or near unanimity in order to declare "consensus" with respect to any given proposal has recently been recognized, by some EU politicians at least, as being a material impediment to forward movement on various issues.
RIPE does not require unanimity to declare consensus. What *is* required is significant support and that all objections raised have been sufficiently addressed. If and when that is reached is judged by the WG chairs, and sometimes this is a very tough job (if there have been lengthy and heated discussions on some side aspects, for example). For RIPE's address policy WG, I used to point at RFC7282, which describes the goals for "IETF consensus" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7282) Gert Doering -- somewhat involved in RIPE policy things -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi, The RIPE NCC Service Region spans over 70+ economies. In fact it spans over the whole planet when someone from outside the service region details some plans to use IP addresses mostly within the service region -- is this verified some time after the resources are allocated? So perhaps the first hurdle to change anything is understanding that RIPE/RIPE NCC <> EU, despite the fact the RIPE NCC must abide by the laws of ONE of EU's member countries. Regards, Carlos On Sun, 19 Jun 2022, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
Just a brief point. I previously noted here that RIPE's rules requiring unanimity or near unanimity in order to declare "consensus" with respect to any given proposal has recently been recognized, by some EU politicians at least, as being a material impediment to forward movement on various issues.
I only just noted that this growing sentiment has now apparently extended even to the Chancellor of Germany:
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1538637496124317704
My hope, of course, is that RIPE and its various WGs are taking notes.
Regards, rfg
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So perhaps the first hurdle to change anything is understanding that RIPE/RIPE NCC <> EU, despite the fact the RIPE NCC must abide by the laws of ONE of EU's member countries. I fixed that for you: So perhaps the first hurdle to change anything is understanding that RIPE/RIPE NCC <> EU, despite the fact the RIPE NCC must abide by the laws of ONE of EU's member countries and therfore also ALL EU laws. -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221 Op ma, 20-06-2022 12u 48min, Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> schreef:
Hi,
The RIPE NCC Service Region spans over 70+ economies.
In fact it spans over the whole planet when someone from outside the service region details some plans to use IP addresses mostly within the service region -- is this verified some time after the resources are allocated?
So perhaps the first hurdle to change anything is understanding that RIPE/RIPE NCC <> EU, despite the fact the RIPE NCC must abide by the laws of ONE of EU's member countries.
Regards, Carlos
On Sun, 19 Jun 2022, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
Just a brief point. I previously noted here that RIPE's rules requiring unanimity or near unanimity in order to declare "consensus" with respect to any given proposal has recently been recognized, by some EU politicians at least, as being a material impediment to forward movement on various issues.
I only just noted that this growing sentiment has now apparently extended even to the Chancellor of Germany:
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1538637496124317704
My hope, of course, is that RIPE and its various WGs are taking notes.
Regards, rfg
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In message <alpine.LRH.2.21.2206201143540.18427@gauntlet.corp.fccn.pt>, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Carlos_Fria=E7as?= <cfriacas@fccn.pt> wrote:
The RIPE NCC Service Region spans over 70+ economies.
In fact it spans over the whole planet when someone from outside the service region details some plans to use IP addresses mostly within the service region -- is this verified some time after the resources are allocated?
I'm sorry Carlos, but I am not understanding either your question or its relevance to what I recently posted (which you quoted). Can you elaborate please? Regards, rfg
Hi, "is this verified some time after the resources are allocated?" This is something i would like to know. My point was that unanimity is extremely difficult, and the universe for that unanimity with RIPE/RIPE NCC members is extremely huge. Carlos On Mon, 20 Jun 2022, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
In message <alpine.LRH.2.21.2206201143540.18427@gauntlet.corp.fccn.pt>, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Carlos_Fria=E7as?= <cfriacas@fccn.pt> wrote:
The RIPE NCC Service Region spans over 70+ economies.
In fact it spans over the whole planet when someone from outside the service region details some plans to use IP addresses mostly within the service region -- is this verified some time after the resources are allocated?
I'm sorry Carlos, but I am not understanding either your question or its relevance to what I recently posted (which you quoted).
Can you elaborate please?
Regards, rfg
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Ronald F. Guilmette