In a couple of occasions (many years ago), some of the IPs under my responsibility, were listed at spamhaus. I contacted them and got delisted, no problem. Of course, after that I took measures so my IP addresses are never involved even by accident, in any "bad" activity: it is my duty. My conclusion is that it offers a good service, which I can use or not, it is my decision. I think services such as spamhaus are good, and I don't know if legally they need to be "registered". I could, as a natural person, so no need for registration if is not a business (no incomes), make this kind of service, for free, and for privacy reasons, and understanding that I may be damaging high-level criminal activities, seek my personal and family protection by not disclosing my real data. I don't think there is nothing wrong about that, because I'm not "forcing" anyone to trust my service or use it, or anything similar. It is up to each individual or organization to use them or not. If ISP a, b, and c, are abusing my network in any way, and I decide to create a public web page to list them, if I can keep the demonstration of that, there is no court that can tell me "you're doing something illegal". I'm just telling the world "those guys have abused my network, you can use it to filter them to avoid having the same trouble", and I can do that I an anonymous way. That said, I think it is a bad excuse to say that there is no login to protect freedom of speech. You can do login but not provide that data to "bad" governments. Only if your own country LEA ask for it, because there was a criminal activity on that connection you will need to provide the data. This is the same for *any* other service. I can't agree that VPN's are a different thing. Note that I'm not trying to say if this or that service is good or bad, but to say that rules are made for all. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 8/7/20 14:47, "anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de info@fos-vpn.org" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de info@fos-vpn.org> escribió: Please allow me to comment on this on behalf of the VPN services affected by the accusations: https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum/anti-abuse-wg/PDRhZGNmYmVmLTNmMm... When you run a VPN service it simply lies in the nature of things that some miscreants buy accounts which lead to various types of complaints. Our principle is not to serve the bad, but the good! We checked all SBL listings in the past and found out that most of them were simply invalid. Our removal requests were all ignored by Spamhaus, refusing any communication with us. The problem with Spamhaus is that they can do whatever they want and nearly everyone follows them. After starting legal actions in the UK against them based on their wrong accusations they moved their headquarters to Andorra, using the address of a hospital located there. Earlier on a person we know very well tried the same in Switzerland and found out that they are not even registered there; they just rented some offices from Regus in Geneva. Unlike other services such as BitNinja or Blocklist, Spamhaus has no real imprint on its website. All those names such as Thomas Morrison, Pete Dawes or Vincent Hanna are fake identities. Except a few insiders nobody knows who's behind that company, which claims to be nonprofit. It is true that VPN services which don't log any user activities attract people with bad intentions and believe me: We are not happy about that either...but we have to live with that. 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On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, 15:47 , <info@fos-vpn.org> wrote:

It is true that VPN services which don't log any user activities attract people with bad intentions and believe me: We are not happy about that either...but we have to live with that

As per your own admission, you have to live with people abusing your service, but it doesn't mean others have the same obligation. If you do serve people abusing your service by doing things warranting spamhaus listing as per they policy, why should spamhaus stop listing those IP addresses? By your own admission, the listing is correct. It is up to you to come up with a solution that will stop your users abusing internet resources not belonging to you, and other intenet users are not obligated to accept such abuse. As for extending the listing to cover the whole subnet, it is called escalation. Look it up, it is explained in spamhauses web page. Yours, esa ps. to put it simply: you're entitled to send crap to the internet. Others are entitled to refuse receiving it.