Re: Wrong "brian.nisbet@heanet.ie" (Was)=>[anti-abuse-wg] Hijacked netblocks - any SOP for these?
Brian, with all do respect, the only topic that was at stake here, was any network who submit his datas to RIPE (Allocation), RIPE regulation state that you are "NOT PERMITED" to give false or erroneous or obviously misleading informations such as "Non-Valid" email addresses civic locations (Where, goegraphically you make business or false "Voice Mail" traps which n fact are never replied. In no manner what so ever, it was suggested that for now and until further notice, RIPE as any responsability toward any sort of SPAM fraud or illegal activities on the Internet. The only sole thing in the original RIPE registration regulation regarding the data a given network provides to RIPE for registering the RIPE allocated IP block number, is that RIPE wants to have valid factual datas like "Live" email addresses or civic address where the network really operates. Not an address located in a forest. Now, have you got any objection about RIPE's regulation that require that minimal amount of intellectual intregrety? We're all ears, go ahead. -----Original Message----- From: brian.nisbet@heanet.ie Sent: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:04:12 +0100 To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Hijacked netblocks - any SOP for these? "Gert Doering" wrote the following on 28/07/2011 11:53:
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:33:59PM +0200, Frank Gadegast wrote:
RIPE is defny responsible for any abuse, whatever it is.
So if you are hosting porn on your web site, and making it accessible to minors, why exactly would the RIPE NCC be responsible for that?
Before this particular thread of the discussion goes any further can I please remind people that neither the RIPE NCC nor the charter of this WG deals with content. If content breaks laws, then there are systems in place to deal with that on a per country basis and the NCC assists law enforcement when requested, however this mailing list is not the right place to debate matters of content. Brian. ____________________________________________________________ Send any screenshot to your friends in seconds... Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if2 for FREE
On 8 Aug 2011, at 16:57, abuse@localhost.com wrote:
Brian, with all do respect, the only topic that was at stake here, was any network who submit his datas to RIPE (Allocation), RIPE regulation state that you are "NOT PERMITED" to give false or erroneous or obviously misleading informations such as "Non-Valid" email addresses civic locations (Where, goegraphically you make business or false "Voice Mail" traps which n fact are never replied.
I can give you my mobile phone number if you want - it's real. No guarantee I'll ever answer it .. What's your point?
In no manner what so ever, it was suggested that for now and until further notice, RIPE as any responsability toward any sort of SPAM fraud or illegal activities on the Internet. The only sole thing in the original RIPE registration regulation regarding the data a given network provides to RIPE for registering the RIPE allocated IP block number, is that RIPE wants to have valid factual datas like "Live" email addresses or civic address where the network really operates. Not an address located in a forest.
Now, have you got any objection about RIPE's regulation that require that minimal amount of intellectual intregrety?
We're all ears, go ahead.
You need to tone it down and / or learn how to follow email threads properly Brian's email was in reply to emails several days ago where people were talking about content If you expect people to take you seriously then show them some modicum of respect At least most of us are posting to this list as ourselves and not hiding our identities .. Michele
-----Original Message----- From: brian.nisbet@heanet.ie Sent: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:04:12 +0100 To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Hijacked netblocks - any SOP for these?
"Gert Doering" wrote the following on 28/07/2011 11:53:
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:33:59PM +0200, Frank Gadegast wrote:
RIPE is defny responsible for any abuse, whatever it is.
So if you are hosting porn on your web site, and making it accessible to minors, why exactly would the RIPE NCC be responsible for that?
Before this particular thread of the discussion goes any further can I please remind people that neither the RIPE NCC nor the charter of this WG deals with content. If content breaks laws, then there are systems in place to deal with that on a per country basis and the NCC assists law enforcement when requested, however this mailing list is not the right place to debate matters of content.
Brian.
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A phone number is only one of the various datas RIPE request for registering a given block number allocation. Since I'm not here for a "Game" as some are, I'll leave that the already recognized authority, RIPE regulating authority. By the way Michele who-ever, thank for publishing where you're standing. @ Blacknight.ie isn't it?
-----Original Message----- From: michele@blacknight.ie Sent: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 16:13:11 +0000 To: abuse@localhost.com Subject: Re: Wrong "brian.nisbet@heanet.ie" (Was)=>[anti-abuse-wg] Hijacked netblocks - any SOP for these?
On 8 Aug 2011, at 16:57, abuse@localhost.com wrote:
Brian, with all do respect, the only topic that was at stake here, was any network who submit his datas to RIPE (Allocation), RIPE regulation state that you are "NOT PERMITED" to give false or erroneous or obviously misleading informations such as "Non-Valid" email addresses civic locations (Where, goegraphically you make business or false "Voice Mail" traps which n fact are never replied.
I can give you my mobile phone number if you want - it's real. No guarantee I'll ever answer it ..
What's your point?
In no manner what so ever, it was suggested that for now and until further notice, RIPE as any responsability toward any sort of SPAM fraud or illegal activities on the Internet. The only sole thing in the original RIPE registration regulation regarding the data a given network provides to RIPE for registering the RIPE allocated IP block number, is that RIPE wants to have valid factual datas like "Live" email addresses or civic address where the network really operates. Not an address located in a forest.
Now, have you got any objection about RIPE's regulation that require that minimal amount of intellectual intregrety?
We're all ears, go ahead.
You need to tone it down and / or learn how to follow email threads properly
Brian's email was in reply to emails several days ago where people were talking about content
If you expect people to take you seriously then show them some modicum of respect
At least most of us are posting to this list as ourselves and not hiding our identities ..
Michele
-----Original Message----- From: brian.nisbet@heanet.ie Sent: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:04:12 +0100 To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Hijacked netblocks - any SOP for these?
"Gert Doering" wrote the following on 28/07/2011 11:53:
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:33:59PM +0200, Frank Gadegast wrote:
RIPE is defny responsible for any abuse, whatever it is.
So if you are hosting porn on your web site, and making it accessible to minors, why exactly would the RIPE NCC be responsible for that?
Before this particular thread of the discussion goes any further can I please remind people that neither the RIPE NCC nor the charter of this WG deals with content. If content breaks laws, then there are systems in place to deal with that on a per country basis and the NCC assists law enforcement when requested, however this mailing list is not the right place to debate matters of content.
Brian.
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