On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 12:24:27 +0000 HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote:

as stated... you can use those rbls however much you like. however. the influence of said rbls into the functioning of protocols can never be used to -force- into breach of contracts, like spamhaus does. by listing irrelevant-to-the-alledged-abuse SUPPLIERS

iI already understood what you are saying twenty? of your posts ago do you get that you are still posting about Spamhaus? And that you are just saying the same thing over and over? did you get it that anyone can make a list of anyone and that anyone has the freedom to decide to trust anyone - and that all your posts and ddos talk simply wants to make many buy whatever Spamhaus is selling (as in start giving them money) so, are you actually working for Spamhaus? - you are doing a brilliant job of selling the brand :) If you are really anti Spamhaus, you should have simply posted one small paragraph, detailing your issue and then waited for others to either agree, disagree or ask you questions... But, as it is, you are probably a Spamhaus marketing agent :) Andre

(listing the isp itself already falls under that catagory, but as we stated before, we don't care about -that-. things might look different with other carriers that -do- use email however ;)

it's not the 'listing' that caused spamhaus to be ddossed off the surface of the planet, it was -them- blackmailing our SUPPLIERS. namely, at that time, tata communications, t-net/tiscali, and they attempted it with kpn. before that: a2b, grafix, level3, and a whole list of others over a period of, ehm well as long as spamhaus has been around.

we don't exactly plan on spending a week in a hotel near some transit pop, pay interconnect fees, and setup fees, every fucking time spamhaus decides to blackmail one of our suppliers, capiche?

they can list the ranges that are part of -our- network, we don't give a shit, their users won't get any mail from us, that isn't being sent anyway so who cares.

listing the networks the mailservers of the sales departments of multinational corporations that provide IP transit, in order to illegally blackmail them into breach of contract (which they usually do or else spamhaus slanders them as 'spam supporters' + they can't send mail, and -they do- use smtp) is -well beyond- the intended uses and purposes of a dnsbl.

On 01 فبر, 2017 ص 10:47, ox wrote:

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On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 10:23:07 +0000 HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote:

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On 01 فبر, 2017 ص 05:10, ox wrote:

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For those that do use smtp, and to identify those isps that refuse to stop abusing others, there needs to be a list.

that's all very cute... as long as that 'list of isps' would remain <snip snip> going 'spamhaus is now listing OUR networks, our sales department can't send mail to 1/3rd of the world and they demand we disconnect luckily for you, smtp is dead and non important to you - so you can Facebook your clients :)

Personally, I do not want emails from people (isps) who enable kiddie porn, spam, phish or other rubbish - so I CHOOSE to use RBLs that I trust and that I know are operated fairly and ethically.

If isps want to be paid for pushing packets they need to take responsibility fro what they are pushing (CONTENT) - pushing child pornography, slavery and a whole buch of evil is simply not acceptable.

It is not acceptable to say: I push traffic and I do not care what it is or how it is destroying little kids or the lives of innocent people.

Andre