On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 09:19:21 +0200 Antonio Prado <thinkofit@gmail.com> wrote:

On 8/10/16 8:28 AM, andre@ox.co.za wrote:

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So why is this? - It is all about trust.

well, trust has to be earned.

agreed, trust is reputation. In the case of a blacklist, it is quite simple though - if it is transparent, like mine superblock.ascams.com each and every listing has been abusive and either is not responding to abuse complaints or is simply ongoing in the abuse...

just two recent examples:

thank you so much! lets deal with that - please see below each of your examples

Aug 10 08:52:16 zimbra-1 postfix/smtpd[27024]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 66-220-144-147.outmail.facebook.com[66.220.144.147]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [66.220.144.147] blocked using superblock.ascams.com; 66.220.144.147 Listed For Abuse. To delist please email del@ascams.com; from=<notification+zj4ooysyaz0y@facebookmail.com> to=<mylegitaddress@mylegitdomain.tld> proto=ESMTP helo=<mx-out.facebook.com>

Yes! because 66.220.144.147 is BLOCKED for abuse 66.220.144.147 sends email spam, on an ongoing basis, to FAKE people and, even after receiving three or more abuse reports, is still sending the same SPAM to the same fake people. So, what I am saying: facebook.com sends spam to example@example.com Facebook then receives 3+ spam reports/complaints And then After that Facebook.com STILL sends spam to the same example@example.com So, Facebook.com (66.220.144.147) is blacklisted for spam abuse. Thank you, Antonio - for pointing this example out - This is why we cannot stop spam! - the SENDERS or transmitters of spam - are never punished - but we have to field complaints from our USERS when the senders MIX legit email with spam email. next example below the example

Aug 9 17:57:23 smtpfe01 postfix/smtpd[15131]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from o4.email.wetransfer.com[192.254.123.89]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [192.254.123.89] blocked using superblock.ascams.com; 192.254.123.89 Listed For Abuse. To delist please email del@ascams.com; from=<alegitaddress@email.wetransfer.com> to=<mylegitaddress@mylegitdomain.tld> proto=ESMTP helo=<o4.email.wetransfer.com>

192.254.123.89 - EXACLTY the same as Facebook.com - transmits spam to fake people/spam traps - and does not do anything about spam abuse complaints!

therefore I'm forced to delete superblock.ascams.com

indeed... - this is why the spam problem persists... yet, if you were to continue using superblock.ascams.com - you may actually force the senders of spam to CHANGE their abusive and crappy behavior But we, society, we do not have the BALLS to do that. Can we at least have the decency to be honest with ourselves? Why lie to ourselves? We do not want to solve the spam abuse problem. Andre

-- antonio