Hi, This is just an issue in LACNIC, in all the regions we have similar situations, and I believe that if there is a mandatory abuse email, and it is not up-to-date, then the LIR is not following the policies, and consequently it is not following the service contract, and could get their resources retired, because all the services contracts in all the RIRs, if I’m not mistaken, enforce following the policies. I’ve a policy proposal on this in several regions (coming on in RIPE as well, just need some time to clean it up). Here is the LACNIC version in English: https://politicas.lacnic.net/politicas/detail/id/LAC-2018-5?language=en In APNIC already reached consensus and is being implemented. Regards, Jordi De: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> en nombre de Badguys Killer <badguyskiller@gmail.com> Fecha: miércoles, 6 de febrero de 2019, 12:47 Para: <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Asunto: [anti-abuse-wg] What if a regional Internet Registry organization lost its authority? Hi, This mail is a follow-up to my previous email "What to do when "abuse" email address does not work?" -- a short summary below: I found some spams sent to my company came from an IP address under Telefonica Peru. I sent a complaint email to the e-address found in WHOIS database, but it turned out that the e-address was fake! With the help of people here, I managed to contact "hostmaster" of LACNIC who sent an email to someone of Telefonica Peru to request them to update their abuse email address. That email was sent more than two weeks ago. I have just checked but the abuse email address is still not up-to-date. I started to wonder the real authority of LACNIC over ISP. Can a regional Internet Registry organization like LACNIC apply sanction/punishment to ISP if they don't follow International standards? Personally, I hope the answer is "yes". But what if these organizations actually have no real authority? That means the Internet is one step forward to anarchy? Hmm, some matter of reflection for our future. ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.

On Wed, 6 Feb 2019, Badguys Killer wrote:

Hi,

This mail is a follow-up to my previous email "What to do when "abuse" email address does not work?" -- a short summary below: I found some spams sent to my company came from an IP address under Telefonica Peru.  I sent a complaint email to the e-address found in WHOIS database, but it turned out that the e-address was fake!

We have been doing that on a daily basis (complaints) and several bounce, yes. I can look for stats to see roughly what is the bounce %.

With the help of people here, I managed to contact "hostmaster" of LACNIC who sent an email to someone of Telefonica Peru to request them to update their abuse email address.  That email was sent more than two weeks ago.

I have just checked but the abuse email address is still not up-to-date.  I started to wonder the real authority of LACNIC over ISP.

Can a regional Internet Registry organization like LACNIC apply sanction/punishment to ISP if they don't follow International standards?  Personally, I hope the answer is "yes".

*If* they have that on their policy set. I'm unaware about that.

But what if these organizations actually have no real authority?  That means the Internet is one step forward to anarchy?

Or two, or three :/

Hmm, some matter of reflection for our future.

Oddly enough i think a lot of people feel very comfortable with all this anarchy :/ Regards, Carlos