Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abusive behavior by Google Inc
On 14/04/2016, 16:01, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of andre@ox.co.za" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of andre@ox.co.za> wrote:
This serves to INCREASE their monopoly as well as HURT smaller hosts - we lost three customers today, because of EVIL Google.
Or because you aren’t offering an attractive enough service..
And, you may say, well so what - but wait until this happens to you as this action actually serves to steal our small amount of customers who now employ / pay the same people that abused us in the first place.
Not nice. Not ethical. Not fair. EVIL.
Is life fair? In any case I don’t see what this has to do with anti-abuse Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:28:48 +0000 Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
This serves to INCREASE their monopoly as well as HURT smaller hosts - we lost three customers today, because of EVIL Google.
Or because you aren’t offering an attractive enough service..
How? Maybe this is still not clear to some? This is ALL gmail.com -- nothing to do with me or you... Let me try to personalize it for you maybe? so... example@gmail.com sends an email to michele@blacknight.com who bounces - "no such user" Gmail sends bounce to example@gmail.com --- blacknight.com -- technical read error / technical failure blacknight.com What does this have to do with the service levels @blacknight.com ?
And, you may say, well so what - but wait until this happens to you as this action actually serves to steal our small amount of customers who now employ / pay the same people that abused us in the first place.
Not nice. Not ethical. Not fair. EVIL.
Is life fair?
In any case I don’t see what this has to do with anti-abuse
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
so... example@gmail.com sends an email to michele@blacknight.com
who bounces - "no such user"
Gmail sends bounce to example@gmail.com --- blacknight.com -- technical read error / technical failure blacknight.com
Isn't this more likely to be a bug or a mishandled error rather than malevolence? Rob
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:48:30 +0100 Rob Evans <rhe@nosc.ja.net> wrote:
so... example@gmail.com sends an email to michele@blacknight.com who bounces - "no such user" Gmail sends bounce to example@gmail.com --- blacknight.com -- technical read error / technical failure blacknight.com Isn't this more likely to be a bug or a mishandled error rather than malevolence?
i wish it was, but I do not think that it is as Gmail is non responsive on the issue - after receiving full headers and complaints from numerous of their own users and over longer than a week and, additionally, it is still ongoing. If it was a bug or a technical issue: The current searchable forums clearly explain where google used this custom/closed/cryptic error, as Suresh correctly stated, it is a message when the packet is dropped off before termination and it also is an error from google apps related to when the connection is dropped on SPF failure, etc. This is not external -> Gmail, but Gmail to external -> Gmail to Gmail If there is network connectivity issues between google servers it only happens when dnsbl or 550 bounce, etc is received for when Google phish/scam/spam too much coincidence and over too much time - so, my opinion right now is that this is abuse, it is evil and it is simply to avoid responsibility for handling abuse and then to reflect this same failure on the very victims that is refusing to receive their abuse. sofar - nobody has said anything to the contrary? andre
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