Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)
Hi, On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 07:38:34AM +0000, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Ah that way. Then -
Do we have rough consensus? If not at what point is it reached?
Now this is left to the AA WG chairs to decide :-) As per the RIPE PDP, we're in "discussion phase", which is run to the end date Marco announced (too lazy to look it up). Then, the proposers decide together with the relevant WG chairs if they think it makes sense to go ahead (it does not have to have consensus, but should have some amount of support, and no counter arguments that are compelling enough to outright kill the proposal). If yes, the RIPE NCC does the Impact Analysis, and the proposal moves to review phase. At the end of the review phase, the WG chairs determine rough consensus. Here's a nice video about the phases https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies plus the link to the formal document https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-710 Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Ah good. So a few more days of this "sascha opposes it" while others chime in +1s. Fine then .. thanks for enlightening me. On 21/03/19, 1:12 PM, "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net> wrote: Hi, On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 07:38:34AM +0000, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Ah that way. Then - > > Do we have rough consensus? If not at what point is it reached? Now this is left to the AA WG chairs to decide :-) As per the RIPE PDP, we're in "discussion phase", which is run to the end date Marco announced (too lazy to look it up). Then, the proposers decide together with the relevant WG chairs if they think it makes sense to go ahead (it does not have to have consensus, but should have some amount of support, and no counter arguments that are compelling enough to outright kill the proposal). If yes, the RIPE NCC does the Impact Analysis, and the proposal moves to review phase. At the end of the review phase, the WG chairs determine rough consensus. Here's a nice video about the phases https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies plus the link to the formal document https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-710 Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
In message <AB091E87-A08C-42EE-9117-8B16A83F5EBD@gmail.com>, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah good. So a few more days of this "sascha opposes it" while others chime in +1s. Fine then .. thanks for enlightening me.
This may sound odd, coming from me, but I say let him speak his mind until he feels that he has done so to the full. The proposal only came forth a mere few days ago, and there is no compelling reason to rush to judgement. Let everyone express themselves and their viewpoints until there is no more to be said that isn't unambiguously repetitive. You would hope for the same courtesy if and when you were esposing an unpopular or minority view. Regards, rfg
-----Original Message----- From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Thursday 21 March 2019 22:27 To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)
In message <AB091E87-A08C-42EE-9117-8B16A83F5EBD@gmail.com>, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah good. So a few more days of this "sascha opposes it" while others chime in +1s. Fine then .. thanks for enlightening me.
This may sound odd, coming from me, but I say let him speak his mind until he feels that he has done so to the full. The proposal only came forth a mere few days ago, and there is no compelling reason to rush to judgement. Let everyone express themselves and their viewpoints until there is no more to be said that isn't unambiguously repetitive. You would hope for the same courtesy if and when you were esposing an unpopular or minority view.
Thank you for your comments, Ronald! To be clear, there's quite a bit of the Discussion Phase left to run and there will hopefully be plenty more discussion during that phase! As you're all aware, RIPE Policies are both important and far reaching. We, as a community, should never rush to judgement, either way and there have been many occasions when comments introduced late in policy discussion have had important effects on the final policies and decisions. Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AAWG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270
Thanks Gert, the advantage of having someone very knowledgeable and willing to explain who is in a timezone an hour ahead of me! One thing I will add, this policy will almost certainly be on the agenda for our session at RIPE78, because real life discussion or information is useful, but as Gert clearly points out, the decision will be made on the mailing list in the timelines state. The Discussion Phase lasts until the 17th of April. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AAWG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270
-----Original Message----- From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Sent: Thursday 21 March 2019 07:43 To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> Cc: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>; Sascha Luck [ml] <aawg@c4inet.net>; Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet@heanet.ie>; Ricardo Patara <ricpatara@gmail.com>; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)
Hi,
On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 07:38:34AM +0000, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Ah that way. Then -
Do we have rough consensus? If not at what point is it reached?
Now this is left to the AA WG chairs to decide :-)
As per the RIPE PDP, we're in "discussion phase", which is run to the end date Marco announced (too lazy to look it up). Then, the proposers decide together with the relevant WG chairs if they think it makes sense to go ahead (it does not have to have consensus, but should have some amount of support, and no counter arguments that are compelling enough to outright kill the proposal).
If yes, the RIPE NCC does the Impact Analysis, and the proposal moves to review phase.
At the end of the review phase, the WG chairs determine rough consensus.
Here's a nice video about the phases
https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies
plus the link to the formal document
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-710
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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