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From: peter håkanson <peter@hk.ipsec.se> Date: October 21, 2009 10:22:13 AM GMT+02:00 To: Chimel Chimel <chimel31@live.fr> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Antispam measures

On Oct 20, 2009, at 11:10 PM, Chimel Chimel wrote:

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Hi,

I am not sure this mailing list is still active, the latest archived mail dates back from over a year ago.

yes, the list is sprodically active, however the working group has given up with spam and calls itself 'anti-abuse' these days.

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I have 3 questions for this mailing list:

1) Does RIPE or other registrars impose antispam fighting measures or a code of conduct to the ISPs or telcos it allocates IP ranges to? For instance, do these registrar customers specifically sign an agreement never to post spam themselves. Do they also sign an agreement to terminate IP sub-allocation or contract with their own customers who are using their IP addresses to post spam?

2) If there is such measures, how does RIPE enforce them?

3) What does RIPE intends to do about Ukrtelecom, who is alone responsible for hundreds of thousands of daily spam posts in discussion forums and BBSs? According to the people in stopforumspam.com, every single post emanating from ukrtelecom is spam, there is not a single genuine user from that telco. How can RIPE allocate hundreds of separate IP ranges to this single telco, especially if it is only a support for spam, not a telco at all. When querying the RIPE database for ukrtelecom, it returns 300 IP ranges, but that's only because the web site is limited to 300 answers. I'd like to see the whole list in order to ban it all from my forum, even if it means banning genuine users from Ukraine. And of course, when I say ukrtelecom is a spammer site, I really means it is a mafia site that makes millions of dollars every month in illegal activities, selling dangerous fake medicines such as viagra or tamiflu. In these times of IP addresses shortening, it would make a lot more IPs available if the registrars would cancel IP allocation from the customers who break the antispam rules.

Amen !

In the meantime, block the offending ranges. This will make the ip's isolated. A number of blocklists is available that keeps current records of offending ranges.

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Thanks, Chimel.

By the way, a BBS seems to be a more adequate way than a mailing list to handle this kind of discussion. Just my 2 cents.

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