A Network without contact!
Hello All, Here is a network that I came across which does not have any contact information: inetnum: 148.148.0.0 - 148.148.255.255 netname: SCANIF descr: Scania Nederland B.V. descr: P.O. Box 618 descr: 8000 AP Zwolle country: NL admin-c: RS3212-RIPE tech-c: RS3212-RIPE status: EARLY-REGISTRATION mnt-by: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT mnt-lower: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT mnt-routes: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT changed: hostmaster@arin.net 19910418 changed: hostmaster@arin.net 19910418 changed: er-transfer@ripe.net 20031003 source: RIPE person: Roelof Sondaar address: Scania Nederland B.V. Potbus 61S address: 8000 AP Zwolle address: NL phone: +31 30977966 nic-hdl: RS3212-RIPE mnt-by: RIPE-ERX-MNT changed: hostmaster@arin.net 19910628 changed: er-transfer@ripe.net 20031003 source: RIPE How can someone contact this network? Does anyone know? Thank you, Reza Farzan
Reza Farzan wrote:
How can someone contact this network? Does anyone know?
No contact info, huh? I can see at least snail mail address and a telephone number. Granted, e-mail address is more convenient, but the contact info is there. Whether it is valid, that is another question. -- esa
Hi, On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 08:19:01AM -0400, Reza Farzan wrote:
Here is a network that I came across which does not have any contact information: [..] person: Roelof Sondaar
address: Scania Nederland B.V. Potbus 61S address: 8000 AP Zwolle address: NL
phone: +31 30977966
These two look very much contactish to me. A postal address and a phone number.
How can someone contact this network? Does anyone know?
The phone thingie is something fairly recent, and a bit complicated. You have to pick up the phone, then type these numbers into the numbered keys. "+" will have to be entered as 00 or 000, or maybe as "+", depending on the local setup, so you need to ask your local phone expert how to work that. But then it's magic, you can hear the person on the other and just as if he were standing besides you. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:00:11 +0100 Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote: <snip snip>
phone: +31 30977966 These two look very much contactish to me. A postal address and a phone number. How can someone contact this network? Does anyone know? The phone thingie is something fairly recent, and a bit complicated. You have to pick up the phone, then type these numbers into the numbered keys. "+" will have to be entered as 00 or 000, or maybe as "+", depending on the local setup, so you need to ask your local phone expert how to work that. But then it's magic, you can hear the person on the other and just as if he were standing besides you. Gert Doering
roflmao, the phone thingy is also increasing in complexity as it also takes pics, videos, pays for stuff purchased and in fact is becoming so sophisticated that it is easy to forget that you can also just talk into it... Hardcore old style / old school :)
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On Mar 30, 2013, at 1:54 am, andre <andre@ox.co.za> wrote: […]
roflmao, the phone thingy is also increasing in complexity as it also takes pics, videos, pays for stuff purchased and in fact is becoming so sophisticated that it is easy to forget that you can also just talk into it... Hardcore old style / old school :)
Putting humour to one side, when I visited the Scania NL website I didn't find an e-mail address. So, I ask whether there ought to be a requirement for anyone running an IP network to commit to accepting e-mail? My initial thoughts are that it is unreasonable to require an organisation to turn up and maintain an e-mail service solely to be contacted by people it doesn't have a business relationship with. Frankly, I don't like the idea of people turning up mail servers and then forgetting to maintain them just so they can have an abuse@ address. It strikes me as a recipe for increasing the volume of spam and compromised systems. That being said, it does mean that the set of communication protocols the reporter prefers and the set of communication protocols the network manager implements might not overlap. As I understand it, the RIPE database currently supports the publication of postal addresses, telephone numbers and e-mail addresses. It's possible that there is value in expanding the number of supported systems to include things like instant messaging identifiers and social network IDs in a structured way that allows them to be parsed by abuse reporting systems. The death of e-mail seems to be a favourite of newspaper features editors and is often reported in a Mark Twain fashion. Nonetheless, if e-mail is on a death spiral, it would seem sensible for the RIPE database to provide support for whatever takes its place so that abuse reporters and network owners can easily communicate. Regards, Leo
On 3/29/2013 4:19 AM, Reza Farzan wrote:
Hello All,
Here is a network that I came across which does not have any contact information:
Entries like it are the bane of SPAM reporters.But if you go to: http://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html and enter _*RS3212-RIPE*_from the data you posted, you will get something like /person: Roelof Sondaar// //address: Scania Nederland B.V. Potbus 61S// //address: 8000 AP Zwolle// //address: NL// //phone: +31 30977966// //nic-hdl://RS3212-RIPE <http://apps.db.ripe.net/whois/lookup/ripe/person/RS3212-RIPE.html>// //mnt-by://RIPE-ERX-MNT <http://apps.db.ripe.net/whois/lookup/ripe/mntner/RIPE-ERX-MNT.html>// //source: RIPE #Filtered/ If you then follow nic-handle you'll find: /person: Roelof Sondaar// //address: Scania Nederland B.V. Potbus 61S// //address: 8000 AP Zwolle// //address: NL// //phone: +31 30977966// //nic-hdl: RS3212-RIPE// //mnt-by://RIPE-ERX-MNT <http://apps.db.ripe.net/whois/lookup/ripe/mntner/RIPE-ERX-MNT.html>// / /changed: //hostmaster@arin.net //19910628// //changed: //er-transfer@ripe.net//20031003// //source: RIPE/ The contacts in red above, ought to be able to pass on information and that is as close as you can get by e-mail - at least for now :-( Arnold
inetnum: 148.148.0.0 - 148.148.255.255
netname: SCANIF
descr: Scania Nederland B.V.
descr: P.O. Box 618
descr: 8000 AP Zwolle
country: NL
admin-c: RS3212-RIPE
tech-c: RS3212-RIPE
status: EARLY-REGISTRATION
mnt-by: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT
mnt-lower: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT
mnt-routes: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT
changed: hostmaster@arin.net 19910418
changed: hostmaster@arin.net 19910418
changed: er-transfer@ripe.net 20031003
source: RIPE
person: Roelof Sondaar
address: Scania Nederland B.V. Potbus 61S
address: 8000 AP Zwolle
address: NL
phone: +31 30977966
nic-hdl: RS3212-RIPE
mnt-by: RIPE-ERX-MNT
changed: hostmaster@arin.net 19910628
changed: er-transfer@ripe.net 20031003
source: RIPE
How can someone contact this network? Does anyone know?
Thank you,
Reza Farzan
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The scania bv website shows the provide alternate contact information --srs (htc one x) On 29-Mar-2013 10:53 PM, "Arnold" <wiegert@telus.net> wrote:
On 3/29/2013 4:19 AM, Reza Farzan wrote:
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Hello All,****
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Here is a network that I came across which does not have any contact information: ********
Entries like it are the bane of SPAM reporters. But if you go to: http://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html and enter *RS3212-RIPE* from the data you posted, you will get something like
*person: Roelof Sondaar****address: Scania Nederland B.V. Potbus 61S****address: 8000 AP Zwolle****address: NL****phone: +31 30977966****nic-hdl: **RS3212-RIPE <http://apps.db.ripe.net/whois/lookup/ripe/person/RS3212-RIPE.html>****mnt-by: **RIPE-ERX-MNT <http://apps.db.ripe.net/whois/lookup/ripe/mntner/RIPE-ERX-MNT.html>****source: RIPE #Filtered*
If you then follow nic-handle you'll find:*person: Roelof Sondaar****address: Scania Nederland B.V. Potbus 61S****address: 8000 AP Zwolle****address: NL****phone: +31 30977966****nic-hdl: RS3212-RIPE****mnt-by: **RIPE-ERX-MNT <http://apps.db.ripe.net/whois/lookup/ripe/mntner/RIPE-ERX-MNT.html>***
*changed: ** hostmaster@arin.net **19910628** **changed: ** er-transfer@ripe.net** 20031003** **source: RIPE*
The contacts in red above, ought to be able to pass on information and that is as close as you can get by e-mail - at least for now :-(
Arnold
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inetnum: 148.148.0.0 - 148.148.255.255****
netname: SCANIF****
descr: Scania Nederland B.V.****
descr: ****P.O. Box** 618******
descr: 8000 AP ****Zwolle********
country: NL****
admin-c: RS3212-RIPE****
tech-c: RS3212-RIPE****
status: EARLY-REGISTRATION****
mnt-by: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT****
mnt-lower: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT****
mnt-routes: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT****
changed: hostmaster@arin.net 19910418****
changed: hostmaster@arin.net 19910418****
changed: er-transfer@ripe.net 20031003****
source: RIPE****
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person: Roelof Sondaar****
address: Scania Nederland B.V. Potbus 61S****
address: 8000 AP ****Zwolle********
address: NL****
phone: +31 30977966****
nic-hdl: RS3212-RIPE****
mnt-by: RIPE-ERX-MNT****
changed: hostmaster@arin.net 19910628****
changed: er-transfer@ripe.net 20031003****
source: RIPE****
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How can someone contact this network? Does anyone know?****
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Thank you,****
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Reza Farzan**** ********
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Although the contact info is clearly wrong, as Wout nicely pointed out, this is an EARLY_REGISTRATION and as such Scania had in days long gone preregistered a large chunck of IP space. As you can see it's a /16, registered in '91. So Scania should have been contacted during the ERX project (http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/erx) to give unused space back to the community. As you can see here (https://stat.ripe.net/148.148.0.0-148.148.255.255?sourceapp=ripedb#tabId=at-...) it *is * announced, trough AS1257. So the contact information could be wrong because it's old - in a time far far away we had 9-digit telephone numbers in NL. Pepijn Van: anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net] Namens Reza Farzan Verzonden: vrijdag 29 maart 2013 13:19 Aan: RIPE Anti-Abuse WG Onderwerp: [anti-abuse-wg] A Network without contact! Hello All, Here is a network that I came across which does not have any contact information: inetnum: 148.148.0.0 - 148.148.255.255 netname: SCANIF descr: Scania Nederland B.V. descr: P.O. Box 618 descr: 8000 AP Zwolle country: NL admin-c: RS3212-RIPE tech-c: RS3212-RIPE status: EARLY-REGISTRATION mnt-by: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT mnt-lower: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT mnt-routes: ERX-NET-148-148-MNT changed: hostmaster@arin.net<mailto:hostmaster@arin.net> 19910418 changed: hostmaster@arin.net<mailto:hostmaster@arin.net> 19910418 changed: er-transfer@ripe.net<mailto:er-transfer@ripe.net> 20031003 source: RIPE person: Roelof Sondaar address: Scania Nederland B.V. Potbus 61S address: 8000 AP Zwolle address: NL phone: +31 30977966 nic-hdl: RS3212-RIPE mnt-by: RIPE-ERX-MNT changed: hostmaster@arin.net<mailto:hostmaster@arin.net> 19910628 changed: er-transfer@ripe.net<mailto:er-transfer@ripe.net> 20031003 source: RIPE How can someone contact this network? Does anyone know? Thank you, Reza Farzan
On 2 Apr 2013, at 08:55, Vissers, Pepijn wrote:
So Scania should have been contacted during the ERX project (http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/erx)
and almost certainly were.
to give unused space back to the community.
I suspect you may be wishfully retro-fitting a goal to the ERX project. Best regards, Niall O'Reilly
Hi, Niall O'Reilly wrote: On 2 Apr 2013, at 08:55, Vissers, Pepijn wrote:
So Scania should have been contacted during the ERX project (http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/erx)
and almost certainly were.
to give unused space back to the community.
I suspect you may be wishfully retro-fitting a goal to the ERX project.
Yes. My memories of the project are that the goal was simply to move registrations from ARIN's database to RIPE's database. Registrants were given the opportunity to take control of their registration data and to make updates but were not required to do anything. Regards, Leo
Dear Reza, Pepijn, list, On 4/2/13 9:55 AM, Vissers, Pepijn wrote:
Although the contact info is clearly wrong, as Wout nicely pointed out, this is an EARLY_REGISTRATION and as such Scania had in days long gone preregistered a large chunck of IP space. As you can see it’s a /16, registered in ’91.
So Scania should have been contacted during the ERX project (http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/erx) to give unused space back to the community.
As you can see here (https://stat.ripe.net/148.148.0.0-148.148.255.255?sourceapp=ripedb#tabId=at-...) it *is * announced, trough AS1257.
Since you already pointed out the use of RIPEstat, I would like you to take a look at the "Abuse Contact Finder" widget, that gives contact details for AS1257: https://stat.ripe.net/special/abuse#abuse-contact-finder.resource=148.148.0.... (please take a look at "show complete details" & methodology) Regards, Vesna
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