On Tuesday 15 August 2017 09.17, ox wrote:
Hi All,
Some spammers are now sending "verify your email account" spam abuse.
I would say that sending a single unsolicited "verify your email account" IS SPAM The keyword here is "unsolicited" This is not the same as a mail sent as a respons to some action done, subscribe or purchase from someone. That "verify your email account" is legitimate. But unsolicited is always spam.
When an email address is submitted and a vendor confirms that email address (prior to subscribing it to a bulk mail list, etc) :
imho, sending a single (one) email to verify/confirm every 24 hour period - with a maximum of two verify/confirms reminders (one per 24 hour period) - is not abuse.
But sending more than one verify/confirm email, in a single 24 hour period - and sending more than 3 emails in total - in any period - is abuse.
I know that I have used the spammer, twitter.com before as an example, but they are good examples to use.
Twitter.com seems to never remove their victims email addresses (and even ignores unsubscribe requests). Twitter.com also seems to go through bursts of activity and sends many confirmation emails to spamtraps (accounts that has never existed and only exists in stolen databases - i.e not real person/people) - whether criminals or third parties submit these fake email addresses to twitter.com or how twitter.com obtains these addresses are not relevant to this thread
What is relevant is: Do you agree that sending "more than 3 verify your email account" is abuse?
If you do not agree, what do you think that number should be?
How many "verify your email address" and reminders to confirm, etc. is not abuse, in your opinion?
Like I said, I think one in 24 hours and a total of three, seems reasonable to me.
Thanks!
Andre
-- Peter Håkanson There's never money to do it right, but always money to do it again ... and again ... and again ... and again. ( Det är billigare att göra rätt. Det är dyrt att laga fel. )
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 09:31:53 +0200 peter h <peter@hk.ipsec.se> wrote:
On Tuesday 15 August 2017 09.17, ox wrote:
Hi All, Some spammers are now sending "verify your email account" spam abuse. I would say that sending a single unsolicited "verify your email account" IS SPAM The keyword here is "unsolicited"
This is not the same as a mail sent as a respons to some action done, subscribe or purchase from someone. That "verify your email account" is legitimate.
I agree, but spammers are never going to admit that they bought an email database...
This is not the same as a mail sent as a respons to some action done, subscribe or purchase from someone. That "verify your email account" is legitimate.
But, if you receive a submitted email address, how many times can you confirm it, before your actions become abusive? I am thinking one (1) per 24 hour period and maximum total of three?
But unsolicited is always spam.
+1 I think many people agree that a single unsolicited email is spam and is abuse. On another note: The selling of email databases should be illegal. Andre --
When an email address is submitted and a vendor confirms that email address (prior to subscribing it to a bulk mail list, etc) :
imho, sending a single (one) email to verify/confirm every 24 hour period - with a maximum of two verify/confirms reminders (one per 24 hour period) - is not abuse.
But sending more than one verify/confirm email, in a single 24 hour period - and sending more than 3 emails in total - in any period - is abuse.
I know that I have used the spammer, twitter.com before as an example, but they are good examples to use.
Twitter.com seems to never remove their victims email addresses (and even ignores unsubscribe requests). Twitter.com also seems to go through bursts of activity and sends many confirmation emails to spamtraps (accounts that has never existed and only exists in stolen databases - i.e not real person/people) - whether criminals or third parties submit these fake email addresses to twitter.com or how twitter.com obtains these addresses are not relevant to this thread
What is relevant is: Do you agree that sending "more than 3 verify your email account" is abuse?
If you do not agree, what do you think that number should be?
How many "verify your email address" and reminders to confirm, etc. is not abuse, in your opinion?
Like I said, I think one in 24 hours and a total of three, seems reasonable to me.
Thanks!
Andre
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