Hi Sascha, El 20/3/19 15:14, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Sascha Luck [ml]" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de aawg@c4inet.net> escribió: All, On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 01:41:22PM +0100, Marco Schmidt wrote: >A new RIPE Policy proposal, 2019-03, "BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation", is now available for discussion. >The goal of this proposal is to define that BGP hijacking is not accepted as normal practice within the RIPE NCC service region. > >You can find the full proposal at: >https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-03 there has been a trend in recent years to make RIPE policy that transforms the NCC from a resource registry into a political agency to monitor and prescribe the behaviour of the internet industry in the RIPE Service Region by weaponising the NCC Service Agreement. This I consider harmful to the standing of the RIPE NCC as an impartial, non-political resource registry. This has been one of our main concerns while developing the text, and this is why we decided to find the right wording that ensures that is up to external experts, not the NCC. The major point, even if you accept that the NCC has a mandate to act as a regulatory authority - which I want to state unequivocally here that I do NOT - against this proposal is that it is ineffective and a waste of time and membership funding: 1. The procedures for policy violations in the RIPE NCC are restorative rather than retributive. If the NCC determines that a policy violation has occurred, the "offender" is given an opportunity to rectify the situation, if they do so the case is closed. Only if the "offender" refuses to cooperate or is not contactable is any further action taken. I think this can be reconducted in other instances (NCC Services, membership agreement, etc.), in order to ensure that you're waived from the first violation, but not in subsequent ones. 2. "Resource hijacks" are transient in nature. They persist, generally, only until the "offender's" neighbours take action. Yet, 2019-03 proposes a long, convoluted, costly process involving "experts", reports, appeals and the NCC Board. By the time this process has run its course, the "resource hijack" in question will have long faded from memory. So the end result of this proposed process is that the "offender" gets a report which it will, in all likelihood, consign to the round archive (ie the recycling bin). 3. The time of the NCC staff and the Board will have been wasted. So will have NCC funding which we, as the Membership have to provide. The "experts" will in all likelihood not work for free either, indeed a cynic could argue that the main effect of this proposal is to let some "experts" dip their beak into NCC funds. 4. I want to forestall the inevitable argument here that "we can make policy to have those evildoers thrown out of the NCC later!". No, you can't. The SSA and its contents are solely the domain of the NCC Membership and I sincerely hope that that body will refuse to ratify any proposal that opens themselves to the loss of the services of a monopoly provider on the say-so of some activist randomers on a mailing list. I know which way I would vote. I'm not sure if he membership will really will not accept a change as the "1st waiver, not 2nd one" that I introduced above. Why membership will support even if is a 10% (just to put an exaggerated figure here) of membership acting against all the community, which means extra cost for all (including the members but not only)? Regards, Jordi 5. If there is still any doubt, the above constitutes strenuous opposition to 2019-03. rgds, Sascha Luck ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.