> On Aug 28, 2016 Andre Ox wrote:
> When you say: My Computer was stolen
> It means that - Someone
physically took your computer away from you
Now I understand your obsession to define abuse. Abuse has several
definitions as well as the word steal that you defined as being the physical act
of taking something that does not belong to you. Shakespeare must be moving in
his tomb.
Once you think use my computer for illicit purposes and without my consent
is not theft, I prepared for you some of the many possible ways to use the word
theft. See below, learn and try not to disturb the sleep of Shakespeare.
> Your take away should be to learn better English :)
> And, this is exactly why we need a good definition of abuse. It is all
about words.
We need??? Certainly YOU need! After your definition of steal...
Why I should be to learn better English?!? For what? What will I do with
it? It is strange to hear that from people who not succeed in define abuse and
theft. And abuse and theft is a specialty of IT in the email marketing sector. I
suggest you read more. Start by great thinkers. And without prejudice start by
Nietzsche in On the Genealogy of Morality.
> And, Marilson, telling me that I am an example of a single
abuse
> resource, when all I am doing is simply trying to understand what
the
> heck you are talking about (as you are using the wrong English
words)
> is not cool. I did not once call you any names or say
anything
> personally rude about you, I know exactly how fast things can
be in a
> third or fourth or even fifth+ language :(
Your comments are full of arrogance and veiled insults. And you are being a
hypocrite in saying that is not rude. End an offense with a smiley does not
improve your attitude. And you need to understand that does not own the truth
and must learn to live with contradictory. :)
STEAL
As
verb (used with object):
to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or
acknowledgment.
to take, get, or win insidiously, surreptitiously, subtly, or by chance.
to move, bring, convey, or put secretly or quietly; smuggle.
Baseball - (of a base runner) to gain (a base) without the help of a walk
or batted ball.
Games - to gain (a point, advantage, etc.) by strategy, chance, or luck.
to gain or seize more than one's share of attention in, as by giving a superior performance: The comedian stole the show.
As verb (used without object):
to move, go, or come secretly, quietly, or unobserved: She stole out of the house at midnight.
to pass, happen, etc., imperceptibly, gently, or gradually: The years steal by.
As noun:
Informal - an act of stealing.
Informal - the thing stolen.
Informal - something acquired at a cost far below its real value;
bargain: This dress is a steal at $40.
As
Idioms:
steal someone's thunder, to appropriate or use another's idea, plan,words, etc.
Examples
from the Web for steal:
to steal music without paying a dime for it.
to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own.
"We steal our own happiness for no apparent reason," says Danziger.
“Sometimes they are said to steal only the heart—like Lancashire witches.” John Gibson
Lockhart.
to steal a glance at
to steal a march upon someone
to steal a marriage
to steal away
to steal out
to steal upon someone
to steal someone’s heart
to steal someone’s thunder
to steal the show
I STOLE this... sorry Andre, I PICKED UP this using Internet.
I will tell you when it is forbidden to use the word stole:
Great nations never stole, simply took in order to make themselves great.
(Solon)
Marilson
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Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 16:06:20 -0300
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To: "ox" <andre@ox.co.za>
Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.netSubject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse -
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Please, Andre. I'm sorry if I'm forcing you to be so so
vulgar that I can understand your extraordinary knowledge about abuse on the
Internet. Do not worry, your technical colleagues will understand
you.
Sorry my low intellectual capacity, but you used the following
expressions to explain what is not Internet Abuse:
> No, it is not an
abuse group for people whose pc's has been stolen or abused in their
homes.
Now, it is clear that you could also have said: the cat crushed by
that car is not of account of this abuse group. I'm sorry but I thought you was
talking about internet.
When I wrote:
> If someone had their home
PC infected or abused, it's because someone used the means and tools provided by
RIRs, Registrars and ISPs.
You reply:
> Just stealing a pc - Is
called theft...
> I hope this helps you understand?
> If not, maybe
you can provide a lot more specifics of how stealing a pc is Internet
Abuse?
> Thank you so much!
Disregarding the excess of arrogance in
your words I explained how stealing a pc is Internet Abuse:
> If a
computer was infected for sending spam or malicious files, it was stolen. After
all we are talking about Internet, right?
And you wrote in your second
reply:
> If someone steals your PC or breaks into your home to steal your
pc It is NOT Internet Abuse... (emphasis added)
Wow! Now we are talking
about breaking and entering to steal objects, that is, we are talking about the
cat crushed by that car is not of account of that abuse group.
Compare with
the original sentence: ?No, it is not an abuse group for people whose pc's has
been stolen or abused in their homes.?
You were talking about potatoes
and I was talking about orange. The difference is that my orange was synonymous
of Internet and their potato was ... potatoes.
Just to be technically clear
:)
Pall, you are a real world example of a single resource abuse. But your
definition still holds up...
Good
lucky
Marilson