473 billion spam PER DAY in last Month. 172 trillions per year.
Mamma mia! It's a lot, but a lot of money! It is clear, clear as crystal,
because some ISPs refuse to cancel the contract even knowing that his customer
is a felon with convictions in court, proven swindler, known scammer... And
several times retaliate because they do not support complaints.
Could anyone tell me what the revenue is for hosting and sending 172
trillions of spam per year? Do not be shy, nobody will call you greedy.
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Ok folks...
The RBL Policy discussion
is interesting, but we've gone wildly off
track and it has become focused,
unfortunately, on one provider.
I'm not going to tell anyone what to
think of Spamhaus, but this
conversation is not the right place to go on
specifically about them. I
think the relevant opinions have been aired and
nobody is going to be
convinced one way or the other.
If there is
more discussion of general RBL Policy and whether bans
should be
longer/shorter/whatever or the other points Andre raised, great.
If you
aren't talking about this, please don't post it here. There are
lots of
other lists and forums and things on the Internet where you can
post
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Yesterday, Andre wrote:
> In 2015, the
number of emails sent and received per day total over 205
billion...
Andre is underestimating the size of the problem and Olaf,
the prince of spam, the demolisher, the man who almost broke the internet,
pretends to be unaware:
During 2010, about 107 trillion emails were
sent around the world. Of that total, 89.1% were spam - this corresponds to an
average of 262 billion unwanted messages per day, according to data from Royal
Pingdom consultancy, which monitors web traffic.
293 billion emails
being 262 billion spam, in 2010.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:19:32 +0000
From: HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker
mailto:svenk@xs4all.nlTo:
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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy
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as for smtp being alive.. out
of 4 billion ips some 200k run an smtp
server... still a lot more than ftp
(including badly configured printers
and security cameras).. but
considering it's a protocol that was
supposed to run on each and every
workstation. it's dead.
facebook has more users per second than smtp
has mails per year. lol.
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 01:13, ox wrote:
>
On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:01:46 +0000
> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker
mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl wrote:
>> no
not all dnsbls are a problem. none of the other ones block
>>
non-directly related prefixes as a means of extortion into
complete
>> breach of contract. there are some 110 of them last time
we checked.
>> we only were on the 2 operated by spamhaus.
:P
>> so by far... pretty much all dnsbl's list the ips that
originate the
>> 'undesired' traffic, which stops it from
>>
reaching those that use their service, and that's where it ends
for
>> them... that's perfectly acceptable.
>> (as long as
it's the actual end user making the decision to use their
>>
'filtering' or not)
>>
> Okay, got it, thank you for
that
>
>> howeverrrrr... then there is
spamhaus...
>>
> yeah, but it will show good manners if you
make a new thread about
> that?
>
>> as for
the ripe mailinglist being smtp... yes. it unfortunately still
>>
is.. and it's about the ONLY thing that still needs smtp, next to
>>
signing up to habbo hotel. lol. i haven't started the mail client
for
>> anything else in years. lol. face it: smtp is dead, the reason
it is
>> dead: is spamhaus itself. making it unreliable.
mainly.
>>
> we will have to agree to disagree (or not agree -
with the same
> result :) )
>
> smtp - 2017 my pov (and own
stats) There has never been so much legit
> traffic sent
ever...
>
> Easy to check though as everyone on here has their own
stats and to
> quickly analize 25 vs say 80 (wow - and 443 is just as
crazy in terms of
> growth as 25!) in 2015 as compared to 2016 -
smtp is alive and kicking
> (so is 443!)
>
>
Andre
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:37:32 +0200
From: ox
mailto:andre@ox.co.zaTo: HRH Prince Sven
Olaf von CyberBunker
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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:19:32 +0000
HRH
Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl wrote:
> as for
smtp being alive.. out of 4 billion ips some 200k run an smtp
>
server... still a lot more than ftp (including badly configured
>
printers and security cameras).. but considering it's a protocol that
>
was supposed to run on each and every workstation. it's dead.
>
>
facebook has more users per second than smtp has mails per year. lol.
>
https://zephoria.com/top-15-valuable-facebook-statistics/statistics,
facts (after they happened) are so crazy, lol
In 2015, the number of
emails sent and received per day total over 205
billion...
in 2016
email/smtp = +8% lol
and 2017 - looks to be even more hectic. -
smtp maybe closer to 300
billion (per day) or 109 Trillion emails per
year...lol
by 2020 we may be at 1000 trillion emails...
how many
users does facebook have per day. lol
>
> On 30 ???, 2017 ?
01:13, ox wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:01:46 +0000
> >
HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl wrote:
>
>> no not all dnsbls are a problem. none of the other ones block
>
>> non-directly related prefixes as a means of extortion into
complete
> >> breach of contract. there are some 110 of them last
time we
> >> checked. we only were on the 2 operated by spamhaus.
:P
> >> so by far... pretty much all dnsbl's list the ips that
originate
> >> the 'undesired' traffic, which stops it
from
> >> reaching those that use their service, and that's where
it ends for
> >> them... that's perfectly acceptable.
>
>> (as long as it's the actual end user making the decision to
use
> >> their 'filtering' or not)
> >>
> >
Okay, got it, thank you for that
> >
> >> howeverrrrr...
then there is spamhaus...
> >>
> > yeah, but it will show
good manners if you make a new thread about
> > that?
>
>
> >> as for the ripe mailinglist being smtp...
yes. it unfortunately
> >> still is.. and it's about the ONLY
thing that still needs smtp,
> >> next to signing up to habbo
hotel. lol. i haven't started the mail
> >> client for anything
else in years. lol. face it: smtp is dead, the
> >> reason it is
dead: is spamhaus itself. making it unreliable.
> >>
mainly.
> >>
> > we will have to agree to disagree (or
not agree - with the same
> > result :) )
> >
> >
smtp - 2017 my pov (and own stats) There has never been so much
> >
legit traffic sent ever...
> >
> > Easy to check though as
everyone on here has their own stats and to
> > quickly analize 25 vs
say 80 (wow - and 443 is just as crazy in
> > terms of growth as
25!) in 2015 as compared to 2016 - smtp is
> > alive and
kicking (so is 443!)
> >
> > Andre
> >
>
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:36:48 +0200
From: ox
mailto:andre@ox.co.zaTo:
anti-abuse-wg@ripe.netSubject:
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:25:01 +0000
HRH
Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl wrote:
>
although i can't see how you managed to obtain statistics on the
>
number of emails being sent each day... unless spamhaus would like to
>
admit that they also spy on dns requests to their dnsbl...
which
<snip>
Okay, we can just agree to disagree - or simply just
disagree is also good. lol
May I please solicit some comments about
Abuse Block lists
(Without detracting from RFC 5782 and RFC 6471 or :
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-409
)
Considering that DNSBL tech is "MOSTLY" "reactive" (after he
abuse)
- although - there are - some - DNSBL (apparently Spamhaus? etc
etc)
that apparently block before anything happens (thank you for
pointing
this out Simon)
The block time policies of RBLs - Not
specifically anyone blocklist in
particular - just the general
policies)
***********************************
Among the reactive and
pre emptive DNSBL, there are two main types of
block lists: No automatic
removal and automatic removal
Is the policy to auto de-list after a
period of time, still accurate?
or should block lists not auto de list at
all any longer?
If still auto de-list - Considering the change in abuse
patterns and technology, should the
block times be increased or
de-creased?
Then; Ignoring pre-emptive - predictive (in advance for no
reason) blocking:
Does society require more specialist non auto de-list
DNSBLs?
(Would it be helpful to civil society, law enforcement etc to have
a
"child pornography" dnsbl? or a phish dnsbl? - or is the reactive
time
to high in order for dynamic ipv4? - but on ipv6 allocations to
devices
could be more 'permanent'?
etc)
Andre
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:21:54 +0000
From: HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker
mailto:svenk@xs4all.nlTo:
anti-abuse-wg@ripe.netSubject:
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy
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smtp is just one of many
protocols out there, a primitive, fairly
unimportant and severely lacking
in terms of security one at that, and
it's protection cannot be a reason
for any disconnection -ever-.
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 01:17, HRH Prince
Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>
> and now it's time for
everyone here, to stop giving stevieboy his way
> with his absurd
definitions of 'abuse'... if there is no law against
> it in the
country in which the customer recides. its no reason for
>
disconnection. doing so is not delivering a paid service, caving into
>
blackmail, and undermining provider immunity by caving in to any
>
random idiot that just so happens to have gained influence over mail
>
delivery, and frequently abuses said (advertised) influence to commit
> computer sabotage (he knows what the impacts of his listings are, he
> advertises with it), to extort the internet industry into wasting
> valuable manhours on him and his self-declared 'delisting procedure',
> and breach valuable contracts.
>
> if he mentions any ip
address (or worse: personal details) in his
> crappy slander and
blackmail system he calls 'spamhaus' just call the
> feds on him. the
guardia civil for example as he currently is in spain.
>
> viola
13
>
> puerta d' andratx.
>
> under no circumstance
should 'spamhaus' be allowed to dictate which
> customers to serve and
which not. simple as that.
>
>
> now act PROFESSIONAL and
stop giving this idiot his way just because
> he mentions 'spam'. as if
'spam'
>
> is the worst thing that ever happened to the
internet... how about him
> trying to get entire isps disconnected. who
gives a shit about him and
> his
'spam'.
>
>
>
>
> On 30 ???, 2017 ? 01:09, HRH
Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>>
>> one would
almost go and set up a few 1000 smtp servers, all sending
>> steve
linford viagra offers, just to annoy the guy back. operational
>>
costs would go through the roof tho lol.
>>
>>
>>
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 01:04, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
wrote:
>>>
>>> btw. this is europe. not america. we
can say fuck however many times
>>> we want over here. tyvm. and
in the case of spamhaus, it's fully
>>> applicable. spamhaus IS a
cancer. that was using this mailinglist
>>> just a few hours ago
to try to further the reach of their cancerous
>>> censorship
tool disguised as a 'spam
fighter'
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 ???, 2017 ?
01:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> if the fully appropriate
language used is the only thing you can
>>>> think of as an
argument, that shows it's completely right. lol.
>>>> you're
free to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford told the
>>>> 'world press' about our operations in the past. so far
for
>>>> inappropriate
language.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 12:58, Tobias Knecht wrote:
>>>>>
Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> @Sven
Olaf:
>>>>> Please stop using this type of offensive
language!
>>>>> This is a public mailinglist and not a place
for you to rant and
>>>>> attack in the way you are at the
moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> So step back for a
minute, take a deep breath and calm
down!
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you feel you can
send a message without using this type of
>>>>> language,
feel free to do so, otherwise stay
away!
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any
questions, feel free to reach out to me
directly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
Tobias
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ?RIPE Anti Abuse Working Group
Co-Chair
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46
PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
>>>>> CyberBunker <
svenk@xs4all.nl mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
btw it would be of great assistance in this matter if
transit
>>>>> carriers, simply, only
HAD asn's and no ip prefixes that
can
>>>>> be used as a blackmailing
vector. don't quite see why
everyone
>>>>> combines the 'isp'
part with the 'transit providing' part
of
>>>>> their operations. parties
that provide transit, have no
need
>>>>> for ip space (bgp
sessions are better on
10.0.0.0/8
>>>>>
<http://10.0.0.0/8> anyway, prevents attack
from 'outside').
>>>>> if there are
no ip's there is nothing idiots like spamhaus
(so
>>>>> far they are the only
ones) can 'blacklist' to 'build
up
>>>>> pressure' to breach
contracts. so just split up those
operations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker
>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did
they
>>>>>> arrive? -> yes. we
did our job. no -> we did not do our
job.
>>>>>> i can't quite see why
we would even need to know what
'smtp'
>>>>>> is. nor any of the
other obscure shit protocols out
there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker
>>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
content. is NEVER.
network-related-abuse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other
way
>>>>>>> is used as
intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse'
in
>>>>>>> fact it's not abuse
at all. it's like tv
advertisements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same
old
>>>>>>> services
'provided' by crappy windows malware, which
should
>>>>>>> get some import
restrictions, and the problem is solved
ay.
>>>>>>> it's windows
itself that is the malware
there...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login
procedure
>>>>>>> sucks balls
and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and
3
>>>>>>> top secret ones on
the back of a plastic card people show
in
>>>>>>> every restaurant
they go to are 'security' - go fix your
own
>>>>>>> crap and stop
bothering us, we forward -packets-. we
don't
>>>>>>> have time to
hunt ghosts for your broken financial
services.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
'announcing the whole god damn internet split up
into
>>>>>>> /24s'.. - yes ..
that's 'abuse'.
lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone
else
>>>>>>> is doing they can
take them to the -appropriate- courts
(of
>>>>>>> the other party)
and try to get them to stop...
blackmailing
>>>>>>> the sales
department of the transit carriers of
their
>>>>>>> supplier of
their supplier of their supplier, will only
make
>>>>>>> them change isps,
cause financial loss (or gains:
setup
>>>>>>> fees),
etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
so far all spamhaus has ever established
is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
- a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable
ipv4
>>>>>>> 'burned'
ranges.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
- smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open
relays)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
- smtp is no longer real time
(graylisting)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
- smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million
ip
>>>>>>> addresses listed
despite there only being 300k
mailservers
>>>>>>> in the
world, no
wonder!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of
smtp.
>>>>>>>
congratulations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are
real-time
>>>>>>> and do have
friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded
in
>>>>>>> bringing microsoft
and facebook users to spy on. well
done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has
no
>>>>>>> users left. people
only start it up to read
ripe
>>>>>>> mailinglists
(lol) or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT.
lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our
networks...
>>>>>>> because...
ever since 2004... we have simply blocked
port
>>>>>>> 25... smtp only
causes -shit- and it -delivers
shit-
>>>>>>> (abusemail and
'legal' threats about shit that is not
our
>>>>>>> problem). we sure
as hell have some customers that
cause
>>>>>>> 'shit' but they
usually do it in somewhat more
profitable
>>>>>>> markets
than sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a
tv
>>>>>>> station or 2 to do
their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus.
lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our
1000-1500
>>>>>>> euros per
month per server would come from, i don't know,
i
>>>>>>> certainly have never
met any... i tried to invoice one
60k
>>>>>>> once and he backed
off already. poor spammers. they're
like
>>>>>>> child porn
people. can't pay for anything, so not an
urgent
>>>>>>> issue at
all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia
rolling
>>>>>>> over their
doorstep and if it's not them its the god
damn
>>>>>>> copyright mafia.
slightly different budgetarial
picture
>>>>>>> there. shit
that -is- worth the
trouble.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of
your
>>>>>>> crappy silly old
smtp protocol, which doesn't
even
>>>>>>> -originate- from
our networks in the first fucking
place,
>>>>>>> and stick it
where the sun doesn't shine... as
for
>>>>>>> malware... windows
is the malware there... it
facilitates
>>>>>>> all the
programs residing on top of the same old 1990s
badly
>>>>>>> implemented os/2
ripoff crap. so basically call
mickeysoft
>>>>>>> and ask
them to fix the bugs they all exploit, or call
the
>>>>>>> european
commission and impose trade bans against
microsoft.
>>>>>>> simple
enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf
von
>>>>>>> CyberBunker
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s,
porn
>>>>>>>> of any kind,
human trafficing services, specific
animals,
>>>>>>>> cocain,
data obtained through espionage,
encryption
>>>>>>>>
technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military propaganda,
etc
>>>>>>>> is subject to
applicable local law (if any, and if there
is
>>>>>>>> none, it's
perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies'
as
>>>>>>>> spamhaus is not
supposed to be 'the internet
government'.
>>>>>>>> even
if they think they should
be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
if the uk wants to keep certain products from
entering
>>>>>>>> 'their'
territory (and in doing so limit the freedom
of
>>>>>>>> their own
stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to
them
>>>>>>>> others choose
not to work against their
own
>>>>>>>>
stakeholders/tax payers that way. they have a
customs
>>>>>>>> department
to keep said products outside. can't tell
others
>>>>>>>> not to
produce or sell or advertise it. setting up
dirty
>>>>>>>> front
operations like 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds
into
>>>>>>>> the illusion
that they would be 'fighting spam' is a
very
>>>>>>>> nasty thing
to do. geo-political wise and business
wise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
now... in thailand porn is illegal... so...
let's
>>>>>>>> disconnect
all porn sites because thailand wants us to,
oh
>>>>>>>> but wait,
thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking
they
>>>>>>>> rule the
entire internet through means of blackmail
and
>>>>>>>> calling people
'spammers' or 'spam
supporters'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
what also works, besides blackmailing with
committing
>>>>>>>>
computer sabotage against the sales department of
suppliers
>>>>>>>> of
suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a
website,
>>>>>>>> are:
assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent
orange.
>>>>>>>> etc... all
of which should be deployed against spamhaus
if
>>>>>>>> you ask me. :P
but a nullroute would suffice. lol.
after
>>>>>>>> all bgp is
an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we
don't
>>>>>>>> block
anything' as they themselves always
say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 11:29, Esa Laitinen
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf
von
>>>>>>>>>
CyberBunker <
svenk@xs4all.nl mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
also it's quite vague that when some mossadis
rent
>>>>>>>>>
servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which
we
>>>>>>>>>
happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) -
spamhaus
>>>>>>>>>
somehow magically never lists -that-..
just
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems
that
>>>>>>>>> the
listing
works!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
Keep up the good work, spamhaus et
al!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
esa
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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