Do name names. Who – according to you – is a sockpuppet here? Or a troll? All I see in this email is a series of stream of consciousness accusations but zero specifics. To be plain – I think many people on this list, you included, have zero background in abuse mitigation, and engaging in any sort of discussion with such people is, just possibly, a slightly less unproductive endless loop than engaging with Kamphuis would have been. But beyond that I see zero signs of collusion, as you seem to allege others have been saying. On 16/02/17, 6:40 AM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Sascha Luck [ml]" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of aawg@c4inet.net> wrote: Agreed. So, if censorship be it, please remove all the other trolls, including their sockpuppets, from this list. I suspect it will be a very quiet one after that and perhaps deservedly so.